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The origin of the universe cannot be determined scientifically
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This section isn't for people who deny young-earth creationism. If you question dogma strongly enough, you'll get bounced. Seen it happen many times.
Speaking of God as a "she" also.
Derf
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No, it asks for admission of a greater creator. DNA is an instruction set for building a creature, implying a creator. To then ask for the instruction set for the creator says the creator was created himself, thus a greater creator is needed. To avoid the infinite regression, Christianity's creator is an uncreated being, because He creates everything but Himself.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
What about logic? Does God create logic? It's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine logic not existing at any time.
"All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."
There are plenty of things — all of them intangible nouns — that God did not invent. Love, truth and life among them.
That should be obvious. If you think otherwise, answer:
Was He alive when He created life?
Were things true before He created truth?
Did He love when He created love?
Also, time.
There are plenty of things — all of them intangible nouns — that God did not invent. Love, truth and life among them.
That should be obvious. If you think otherwise, answer:
Was He alive when He created life?
Were things true before He created truth?
Did He love when He created love?
Also, time.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Yeah this is all 'self-existence' stuff, which I believe. Logically, God existing implies these things simultaneously, like they all 'come into existence' at once, like 'a package deal', or, and this is what I believe, He is 'self-existent' and there never was any 'time' (see below) that God didn't exist, and so therefore was never any 'time' that logic and love and geometry didn't exist either. It's not as if God 'made' these things, but He is certainly responsible for them existing, 'by virtue of' His own (self-) existence.
I don't know about that. I don't conceive of time as like logic or geometry.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
What I was getting at was that using logic to argue for God's existence is invoking logic, which begs the question whether logic itself is a created thing. It's kind of assumed to exist on its own, when making a logical argument for God's existence.
idk. Could be making something out of nothing.
Derf
Well-known member
In addition, (also as Stripe said), logic is a concept more than a thing. Like sin, which God did not create.
Creation ex nihilo?
Using logic to understand God hardly equates to causing God's existence.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Yet, he did create a sinner.
He created a being capable of disobeying Him.
Not the same as creating a sinner, or creating sin.
I'm sure it's just a phase you're going through.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Just give it timeI'm sure it's just a phase you're going through.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
If that's true, there would be no need for a new creation.
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1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
He created a being he knew would disobey him.
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
So then false, false will be your answer when asked why you don't have a wedding garment (Christ's righteousness) on?