Hiya Chrys. You may give me a neg rep to see what happens.
The New Rep System Is A Joke
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annabenedetti
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Like I said, you're a poster who's well thought of by most so I'm not surprised you get lots of reps, although your total (along with other soots members) is noticeably out of balance with the vast majority of posters here.
And, like I said, you haven't used the system other than how the system is set up. So let's get past that, and focus on the main issue.
We could see the soots threads on his page. The soots Rep Thread IV and the Rep Rampage threads.
So yes, some accumulate their rep differently than others. Maybe in the middle of all that rampaging rep it's easy to lose a sense of perspective, because it's kind of funny having a member of soots asking if others are doing it differently.
annabenedetti
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SaulToPaul 2
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Much of the rep-power is based on how long you have been a TOL member, how many posts you have made, etc. Therefore on day 1 when everyone's rep is set to zero then the system recalculates all that data and some folks naturally start off with more rep-power.
like me
I'm just not going to get that deeply into this tar baby...Here's what I know...There's literally no way you can take a poster I know with a thousand posts and a number of years fewer than I have and suddenly have him working on twice my rep since the reset, organically.
I could go into the relative caps on pos rep value for everyone at the outset and how it would take either an early start or a change in weights or a seriously orchestrated effort by those rocketing up the charts, at the beginning, but mostly all I have to do is note that any active soot member you can find will be astronomically ahead of everyone else to make the obvious case. The case that doesn't require study or math, only common sense and observation.
Now past a point the advantage does become organic. Take Tam. She has to be handing out twenty points or better by now. Someone at a thousandish maybe ten. So you get a cadre who regularly rep one another pumped up enough it can sustain the advantage without any help at all. It's the whale factor. I know, back when I broke the rep ceiling the first time I enjoyed giving the new guys a quick boost into the ranks of less than anemic scores, trying to encourage their sticking around and participation.
I never joined in the vestiges of the rep wars that were flickering when I arrived though or joined a rep league (yes, they existed :chuckle. I don't care for reps without notes, without an indicator that the post generated it and not some other mitigating factor.
Why? Because otherwise the number isn't important. It just isn't. It won't make anyone think more or less of you. What you post will.
What did I like about the rep system? It was a way of noting the cumulative impact of what I was trying to do here. People I liked would come and go, comments in those liner notes would fade off the end of the page, but I knew that most of that total represented a wide range of people who were happy I was still around and making them wince or rethink or chuckle over a thought. I was proud that most of that total came from people who differed with one another and, often enough, with me. Sometimes over the post they rep'd me for, which I found commendable and tried to emulate to some extent.
It was a sort of memory of those better conversations and friendships, some active, many moved along. Some severed.
Then why note this latest bit at all? I was irked for about ten minutes because it was set up as something meaningful and then reduced to the same ol same competition of yesteryear...people trying too hard for something that is only meaningful when you don't try at all, to me. But that's me. And if it's meaningful in some other context, again, I find myself wondering why I should care.
Because to my mind the liner notes, the way what we write impacts others, from entertainment to information, that's the meat to the extent there is meat on the bone. The rest is sound and fury. If anything else matters to you, whoever you are, may you have enough to sate you and may it work a good for you.
Just don't tell me it's raining.
I could go into the relative caps on pos rep value for everyone at the outset and how it would take either an early start or a change in weights or a seriously orchestrated effort by those rocketing up the charts, at the beginning, but mostly all I have to do is note that any active soot member you can find will be astronomically ahead of everyone else to make the obvious case. The case that doesn't require study or math, only common sense and observation.
Now past a point the advantage does become organic. Take Tam. She has to be handing out twenty points or better by now. Someone at a thousandish maybe ten. So you get a cadre who regularly rep one another pumped up enough it can sustain the advantage without any help at all. It's the whale factor. I know, back when I broke the rep ceiling the first time I enjoyed giving the new guys a quick boost into the ranks of less than anemic scores, trying to encourage their sticking around and participation.
I never joined in the vestiges of the rep wars that were flickering when I arrived though or joined a rep league (yes, they existed :chuckle
. I don't care for reps without notes, without an indicator that the post generated it and not some other mitigating factor. Why? Because otherwise the number isn't important. It just isn't. It won't make anyone think more or less of you. What you post will.
What did I like about the rep system? It was a way of noting the cumulative impact of what I was trying to do here. People I liked would come and go, comments in those liner notes would fade off the end of the page, but I knew that most of that total represented a wide range of people who were happy I was still around and making them wince or rethink or chuckle over a thought. I was proud that most of that total came from people who differed with one another and, often enough, with me. Sometimes over the post they rep'd me for, which I found commendable and tried to emulate to some extent.
It was a sort of memory of those better conversations and friendships, some active, many moved along. Some severed.
Then why note this latest bit at all? I was irked for about ten minutes because it was set up as something meaningful and then reduced to the same ol same competition of yesteryear...people trying too hard for something that is only meaningful when you don't try at all, to me. But that's me. And if it's meaningful in some other context, again, I find myself wondering why I should care.
Because to my mind the liner notes, the way what we write impacts others, from entertainment to information, that's the meat to the extent there is meat on the bone. The rest is sound and fury. If anything else matters to you, whoever you are, may you have enough to sate you and may it work a good for you.
Just don't tell me it's raining.
Arthur Brain
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And way to entirely miss the point. This isn't a "whining" thread but one to point out the glaring disparity between regular rep and those who have access to or are members of the private club here who have rep powers and latitude far in excess of what the standard user is afforded. It ain't the inflated scores but more the dishonesty as if people's scores are an "honest representation" of posters. It clearly isn't which is the point.
Arthur Brain
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Okay, then perhaps you didn't know that you and certain others have rep powers exponentially higher than regular users. In which case I apologize for the assumptions.
The main issue to me is being accused of being dumb or deliberately deceitful, and that the only way I could possibly have a larger rep is by receiving reps from others in some sort of underhanded way.
All I saw was a screen shot of his rep page.
And the screen shot he posted did not show how many points he got for each of his reps. All it shows is the title of the threads in which he was repped for a post. But it shows no content of the posts.
If he posted the content of posts or threads, I must have missed it.
Go to your rep page and see if it shows any content of a post in a thread. It doesn't. Nor does it show how many points you got for each of the reps you received.
So how exactly is that screenshot of LH proof of any sort of rep tampering?????
red would never apologize
"The New Rep System Is A Joke"
Well.... one thing is for sure.... it sure has created a little buzz around this place.
Well.... one thing is for sure.... it sure has created a little buzz around this place.
better notion.
Never was.
Apparently it does.
Folks that I used to think of as friends are now accusing me of being underhanded because of my rep.
Now, if folks think my repping them is an unfair advantage, then I will just quit repping them.
Funny thing is, that some of those that think my repping them is an unfair advantage have not made a single effort to ask me to stop using "my unfair advantage" to rep them.
In their eyes, any rep I give anyone is an unfair advantage to them. So, anyone that has a rep from me already has a rep score that is unfair. Right?
I give reps without notes most of the time because I'm on my phone or tablet and it won't allow me to leave a note. Sorry..
I would like to disable my rep.
Previously, I thought of rep as a way of determining if I was communicating well with people. Plus I could use it as a way of establishing which other people were good or bad communicators and this would help me to decide who to respond to and who to not, so as not to waste my time. It isn't that I seek affirmation. It's whether or not I am making an impact. Towards the end of the last era I had a rep/post ratio of about 17 which was fairly above average and I was quite happy with that.
But, having established that I am an ok communicator, I no longer see the point in the system. Since the post numbers were not reset with the rep, I can't even establish a meaningful ratio. The problem is that when you go around giving 60 reps a day, regardless of whether it is to a specific group of people or friends, it devalues the meaning of rep. I no longer have confidence in the rep that I now have because it seems to no longer make any difference whether I post a good thoughtful post or just a one liner. And indeed it lowers my confidence that anyone is really interested in what I say, so long as they get some rep out of it. And that means that I won't post so often.
Previously, I thought of rep as a way of determining if I was communicating well with people. Plus I could use it as a way of establishing which other people were good or bad communicators and this would help me to decide who to respond to and who to not, so as not to waste my time. It isn't that I seek affirmation. It's whether or not I am making an impact. Towards the end of the last era I had a rep/post ratio of about 17 which was fairly above average and I was quite happy with that.
But, having established that I am an ok communicator, I no longer see the point in the system. Since the post numbers were not reset with the rep, I can't even establish a meaningful ratio. The problem is that when you go around giving 60 reps a day, regardless of whether it is to a specific group of people or friends, it devalues the meaning of rep. I no longer have confidence in the rep that I now have because it seems to no longer make any difference whether I post a good thoughtful post or just a one liner. And indeed it lowers my confidence that anyone is really interested in what I say, so long as they get some rep out of it. And that means that I won't post so often.
Don't know why it only copied this small portion.
But did you know that every post on this site could be repped after the reset? Even if it was a post that you repped before the reset, you can now rep it again, because the reset erased the earlier rep.
Try it. Go to any post that you know you repped before the reset, and you will be able to now rep it again.
So it doesn't matter if you have made any posts recently. Any and all of the old posts can be repped, even if you already repped it before the reset.
Oh, never mind. I see you edited your post.
As someone who reps you often with only positive rep, I do it for two reasons: I either agree with something you say ... or just because I like you.
While positive reps are nice, the comments, IMO, are what makes the difference.
IF I had my preference, I would customize the rep system to allow our members to individually ban specific members from repping their account.
Or maybe some of them are just upset because something at odds with the declaration going into this is happening and it's harder not to get splashed by some of that feeling when you're suddenly so very far out on the end of the "benefits from" a perceived unfairness without you having the least to do with it.
Here's an illustration. I'm going to pick a soots member who I know won't likely be offended by what I'm about to point out if someone figures out who I'm talking about. Someone I like, but don't see enough of around here. In fact, she hasn't made a post since May 11th. She's been here about the same length of time as I have. She has about 1,800 posts, most of them from a while ago. Average is under a post a day (seriously, she has to bring that one up) and until now I don't think has ever been anywhere near me, rep wise. I'm fairly sure, but I'll have to ask her on that one.
She is, however, a soots member.
Again, no new posts to rep since the whole reset happened. Her current rep: 924. No new posts, thousands fewer posts cumulative, no time advantage. I've been active, have about sixteen thousand more posts, have gotten a lot of rep since the reset. I'm at 596.
Now that's what I call new math. You know, I was talking to AB before I made my first comment about this and my initial response to it was to consider posting a bit in my signature line ending my association with rep.
Then I thought that would be putting an importance on it that I don't really feel when I stopped to consider it, which is why I wrote that longer bit a while ago.
With me it's simple: rep if you feel like it/don't if you don't. I won't think more or less of you because you rep or don't rep me. I don't like people because of their utility, though I'll admit I like liner notes (which is another reason I'm going to keep repping, whether or not I get a rep). I'd miss those private nudges from you or any of my friends or sparing partners.
I wouldn't miss the number.
I have a few friends posting like that and I understand it, take the spirit of the nudge. And some just like to say hello that way in a friendly fashion.
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