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How so ? Then I will be supporting a rabbit trail. Not interested !
What I said is false, because you say it is? That itself is a "rabbit trail" claim. Are you the new protestant pope of Christian doctrine?
How so ? Then I will be supporting a rabbit trail. Not interested !
2 Cor 5:21
21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
This scripture here when properly understood, teaches that Christ did not die for everyone in the world without exception. The being made sin here speaks to Him being made a sin offering, as Isa 53 stated it here Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
And so, Paul says to the Corinthian Church this 1 Cor 15:3
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And so, who are the Our Sins Christ died for ? Why its the same ones Paul says later on in the second letter to the same, those who Christ was made sin in behalf of, and those are made the Righteousness of God in Him. So there you have it, we see who it is Christ died for, them only who are made Righteous See Rom 5:19b. Now are all men without exception made Righteous ? Then the Extent of Christ's Death could not have been for all men without exception ! It was for His Church which He Loved and gave Himself for Eph 5:25-27
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
So He was made sin for the Church, His Body !
We know that Jesus Christ did not die for everyone without exception because by His Death or Offering, He has sanctified all for whom He was offered in behalf of permanently, once and for all ! Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Now can this be said of all without exception ? Is it true of the workers of Iniquity that Jesus will say this to Matt 7:23
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Do you really believe that these were sanctified once and for all by His Offering, or His Death , for His Offering and Death are the same thing you know ! His Death is a expiational Offering !
Now if Christ died for them He is speaking to in Matt 7:23, then they can say while in everlasting Fire, that I too have been sanctified once and for all by Christ's Death ! You see how inconsistent that is with the Lie that Christ died for all without exception ?
Even though I know many cannot and will not receive this Truth, because they believe the lie that Christ died for all men, making all men without exception redeemable, nevertheless Redemption in Christ is limited to a Chosen People Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Now who are the we Paul is Identifying Himself with ? Its the Chosen of God Eph 1:3-4
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
That this Redemption God provides is for only for a Elect People is seen in the OT Scriptures, which gives a Divine Command Ps 130:7-8
7 Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
This is the Redemption the old Saint referred to here Lk 1:68
Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
This speaking of Jesus Christ, the Head of His Body the Church Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Compare this scripture with Ps 130:8
And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
I know many will reject this clear Truth ! And Yes,m this means Israel of Ps 130:7-8 is the Church of Titus 2:14 !
Jer 50:20
In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.
This also speaks to Particular Redemption, for Pardon comes through Redemption as Per Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
The word forgiveness is the greek word aphesis:
release from bondage or imprisonment
2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
And of course we know Eph 1:7 is speaking of the Chosen in Christ Eph 1:4
Mich 7:18
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
You see, pardoneth of the remnant, not all mankind, and this is speaking of God's Mercy, but its restricted, and so Paul writes Rom 9:18
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
He is particular about who He has mercy and pardon on !
Rom 11:4
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
You see that ? I have reserved to myself ! Thats God's Freewill doing that !
We never truly worship the True God of Heaven until we understand this !
So if the scripture declares that Christ specifically died for His Church and Loved it Eph 5:25, then the world God Loved and gave Christ for in Jn 3:16 is the same Church !
The whole world of 1 John 2:2 has already been perfectly explained according to scripture in post #345 of this thread.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ed-for-all-men-without-exception-!/page23#345
What I said is false, because you say it is? That itself is a "rabbit trail" claim. Are you the new protestant pope of Christian doctrine?
Matt 23:37
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Many today in false religion believe this verse teaches that Christ died for all mankind, and that He desires the Salvation of everyone without exception, however that is reading into the verse what they want it to say and mean. The fact of the matter is, that Christ did not desire all these reprobated jew to be saved, in fact, He had just stated earlier that many of them were of that generation of reprbated serpents , and eternal damnation was there sure portion Matt 23:31-33
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Now the fact is again, Jesus in Vs 37 said nothing about gathering them whom killed the Prophets, and stoned them, no for those were the children of the serpent Matt 23:31-36
No, Jesus stated quite clearly, that He would have gathered THEIR CHILDREN, NOT THEM !
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Now who is meant here ? It means, He came to gather from among them some of the Sheep of the jewish fold, some of the True Children of God amongst them, like for instance, the disciples, Nicademus and others. The same thing is taught here Jn 11:51-52
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The gathering together here is the same word and gathering together of Matt 23:37.
Yes, there were Children of God amongst the jews, whereas most of them were reprobated.
Jesus was very successful in gathering out from amongst the reprobated jews, the Sheep of that fold, as indicated here Jn 10:1-5,16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
But those reprobated jews of the genration of the serpent, who killeth the prophets Matt 23:33,34,37 they are the ones whose eternal damnation is set and sure Vs 33, and even Paul himself writes of their destruction from God 1 Thess 2:14-16
Notice Paul says something here very important about those apostate jews " to fill up their sins alway:"
Sound familiar ? It should because Our Saviour said the same thing to those reprobates Matt 23:32-33. That physical nation will always be under God's wrath and judgment to the uttermost 1 Thess 2:15-16, Even today they hate the True God and Jesus Christ, and are vainly looking for a ethnic jewish messiah to set up a physical jewish kingdom ! Good Luck with that !
He died for the Seed of Abraham, not all mankind !
When Christ was made of a Woman and Under the Law as Per Gal 4:4-5
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
The scripture is pretty clear in fact, incontrovertible, whom it was for , not all mankind without exception but for the Seed of Abraham Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
The Seed of Abraham is not all mankind, but a Chosen People from amongst mankind in general. Ps 105:6
O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
Was not Christ the Seed of Abraham ? Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
This also means that it was the Seed of Abraham that Adam exclusively represented in the beginning. It was that Seed that fell in Adam and that Seed which Christ came to recover.
The rest of mankind belongs to the seed of the serpent, whom Christ did not come to seek and to save !
The Seed of the serpent [reprobates] can only work iniquity because their sins were never laid on Christ; He never knew them intimately [ginosko] Mat. 7:23.
But Christ's Death for sin was exclusively for the Chosen Seed of Abraham Heb. 2:16; His Sheep Is. 53:6 who belonged to Him from Everlasting Eph. 1:4-7; His Seed Gal. 3:29: The Blessed ones spoken of in Ps. 32:1-2.
nanja
Sure you right !
Amen !
Thanking God for your fellowship Brother, and Ministry in the Gospel contained in your threads !
And it's with God's help, to the best of my knowledge, that I am now up to date, and have completed my study of the teachings and scriptures 2 Tim. 2:15 you have provided thus far in this excellent thread, "The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !" TY ! ☺
Bless you Sister, I Thank God for you !