Do you believe Adam walked with T. rex?
How do you explain fossils grouped together in strata?
I am blown away by God who created the vast Cosmos, and created consistently over time.
My comments to each line:
No
Ancient earth
So am I!
Do you believe Adam walked with T. rex?
How do you explain fossils grouped together in strata?
I am blown away by God who created the vast Cosmos, and created consistently over time.
What I find fascinating is that those people who believe in a literal 6 days of creation in the story found in Genesis 1:1-2:4a typically completely ignore the second creation story that begins in Genesis 2.4b.Well, it might surprise you but we can agree on that...and other things. We can't say we fully understand all prophecy. We might not correctly understand God's grace and how we became a believer. We might have a hard time wrapping our mind around wrapping our head around some of the scenes from the Old Testament. For ex... and YIKES!!! In Joshua 5, he made flint knives and then circumcised thousands and thousands of grown men. It is small wonder that they rest it for a couple days before they continued on their journey. So yes I agree with you there are things that sometimes seems baffling and hard to understand.
Where we don't agree is in Genesis 1. It is very clearly told as history and not allegorical. Jesus referred to it as real history as did Paul and other Bible authors. The gospel is actually dependent on the first few chapters of Genesis. If God created over the course of millions of years using a process of death and extinctions that would speak to the nature of God. That low opinion of God is evidenced in house's posts. He seems to imagine God as some super scientist who is conducting experiments.
And, if death existed before first Adam sinned, then the sacrifice last Adam made at the cross becomes meaningless. So.... apologies sort of, if it seems I defend Genesis 1 too vigorously. But, I feel that Satan is using attacks on Genesis, the foundation of the Gospel (And every Christian doctrine) driving millions away from trusting the Bible. Compromise is not the solution.
Hey Cobra, thanks for your comments. I haven't noticed you here before... so, welcome here!2003cobra said:What I find fascinating is that those people who believe in a literal 6 days of creation in the story found in Genesis 1:1-2:4a typically completely ignore the second creation story that begins in Genesis 2.4b.
Aww, no it does not. And you really know that, it is your fear of your deity that requires to continue to say this.
Hey Cobra, thanks for your comments. I haven't noticed you here before... so, welcome here!
Genesis 2 is completely consistent with the creation account, and has been seen that way throughout most of the last 3300 years. In recent times, some theistic evolutionists have tried to add vast amounts of time into God's Word. (Although, even in scripture we see Paul arguing against the evolutionists of his day, the Epicureans).
In most ancient literature, (and even much today), an author provides an overview of a story, then fills in the details later. We see this elsewhere in scripture and it is not confusing... and we don't imagine that the author is confused; nor that he os telling 2 different accounts. Likewise in the creation account, the author starts off by giving us the chronological order of the six literal creation days. The author then follows that up by providing details which in particular relate to the first humans.
Then he simply lies in his posts here.He really does know.
He's not stupid. He knows his beliefs are irrational. He has chosen blind faith over all else.
He's a good guy though
There is one creation account in God's word.2003cobra said:The second creation story is very different from the first and literally incompatible.
The creation account only provides the order in Genesis 1.2003cobra said:The order is different.
Haha... it must blow your mind when some of the different names of God are used within the same verse. Genesis 28:13. (Jehovah and Elohim) "And the Lord stood beside him and said, “I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac"2003cobra said:The names of God are different.
2003cobra said:You must not have read the second creation story. It clearly says man was formed before plants had sprung up.
Scripture tells us God created plants on the 3rd day and man on the 6th day. The cultivated plants or, "plants of the field" were not yet growing, but plants themselves had been created 3 days earlier.2003cobra said:God formed man when no plants had yet sprung up.
Yes... very straight forward and logical.2003cobra said:The story even makes it clear that no man-planted crops had yet sprung up because there was no man to till the soil
Lets look and see what it actually says...2003cobra said:...and no wild plants had yet sprung up because there was no rain.
Thanks for the welcome.
The second creation story is very different from the first and literally incompatible.
Here are some examples:
1) The order is different. The first creation story has the order of plants, animals, man and woman. The second creation story has the order man, plants, animals, and woman.
2) The method of creation in the first creation story is God telling the earth to bring forth plants and animals (interestingly, the same method of creation atheists accept — the Earth bringing forth life). The second creation story has God physically involved, making man from clay and planting a garden or orchard.
3) The names of God are different.
4) Just so you won’t miss the difference and the transition, the first creation story speaks of the heavens and the earth, while the second speaks earth and the heavens.
Actually, I showed you what Genesis 2 says both in Hebrew, and in your preferred version of English, and Youngs Literal.2003cobra said:6days, since you are denying what the Bible actually says in Genesis 2, we don’t have much common ground with which to discuss this.
Cobra... you should realize your belief may be in trouble when you essentially rely on a paraphrase and ignore every major translation. The NRSV is not a translation, but instead the publishers re-worded their own RSV. They have added the word "every" which is not in RSV... Not in the Hebrew... Not in Youngs Literal Translation... nor in the other major translations such as the NIV, NLT, KJV, ESV, NAS, ISV, NET,Darby, WEB, DouayNES and more. Genesis 1 tells us wch plants God created on day 3. Genesis 2 tells us which plants did not yet exist before God created man.2003cobra said:You say cultivated plants were not yet growing on Day 6.The Bible says the brought forth plants yielding seed of every kind on Day 3.
I did reject your paraphrase of that verse. Does that mean you reject the Hebrew, and every major translation?2003cobra said:So you deny what the Bible plainly says in Genesis 1.
coba said:These two creation stories, with different orders and methods of creation, may be in the Bible for the purpose of showing us that these stories are figurative.
In six days, God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them.iouae said:But I believe we should take note of this word implying there was an interruption of land plants before Adam, which continued after Adam
In six days, God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them.
In six days, God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them.
Not a mantra... it was scripture, and yes I believe it.iouae said:Me thinketh thou protesteth too much, repeating this mantra as often as it takes for you to believe it.
Thanks for the laugh. Your replies almost seem like you are desperate in finding some way to cling to your beliefs. There is nothing in scripture about daddy heavens and son earth.iouae said:Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth
Generations plural means there is a granddaddy heaven and earth, a daddy heaven and earth, and a son heaven and earth i.e.. multiple successive heavens and earth
Not a mantra... it was scripture, and yes I believe it.
Thanks for the laugh. Your replies almost seem like you are desperate in finding some way to cling to your beliefs. There is nothing in scripture about daddy heavens and son earth.
Just a suggestion for you.... instead of searching for a version of the Bible that uses language you feel might support your beliefs, take into consideration several different translations. Also consider that language changes and 'gay' may not mean gay...or 'replenish' may not mean replenish. Any of the top 20 or so major translations are good. For example in Gen. 2:4 you will find wording such as....
* These are the generations...
* This is the account...
* These are the records
* This is the history
Also, you need to note context in the passage, and in other scripture in general.
And....you might want to consider opinions / wisdom/ understanding of others instead of just dismissing. In particular [MENTION=6254]veritas[/MENTION] veritate made some good points in post 231 regarding 'These are the generation's.