The "miracle" of evolution is a myth - part 1

[Yorzhik]

You didn't actually address my evidence. It's not that modern whales have legs, but ancient whales like Dorudon do. Full legs, femur, fibula, tibia and patella. Why would a whale have this?

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Your premise partially relies on the idea of ancient whales existing. But the sediments we find whales in are all relatively young so it weakens your argument.

Your argument also partially relies on knowing better than God how to design things. You are clearly not qualified to claim this thus your argument is further weakened.

Your argument also partially relies on the idea that mutation plus natural selection can turn a land mammal into a whale and then what you call an ancient whale into all the differing whales we see see today. Science says mutation+NS does not have the power do do this.

Thus, your narrative is busted, you don't even have a theory.

 

[Alate_One]

Your premise partially relies on the idea of ancient whales existing. But the sediments we find whales in are all relatively young so it weakens your argument.

Because whales evolved relatively quickly and recently, so how does that weaken the argument exactly?

Your argument also partially relies on knowing better than God how to design things. You are clearly not qualified to claim this thus your argument is further weakened.

In some sense we are in agreement on this point, as I believe God designed through evolution. Perhaps it's you that doesn't understand how God did the designing?

Your argument also partially relies on the idea that mutation plus natural selection can turn a land mammal into a whale and then what you call an ancient whale into all the differing whales we see see today. Science says mutation+NS does not have the power do do this.

Asserting you know what "science says" and then saying things that are clearly against the latest research is ... interesting to say the least.

Fossil of ancient four-legged whale with hooves discovered | Archaeology | The Guardian

Giant 42.6m-year-old fossil was found along coast of Peru and suggests creature could walk on land

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Fossil of previously unknown four-legged whale found in Egypt

Scientists said on Wednesday they had discovered the 43 million-year-old fossil of a previously unknown amphibious four-legged whale species in Egypt that helps trace the transition of whales from land to sea.

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There's also the matter of the DNA evidence clearly tying hoofed mammals to modern whales more closely than anything else and then the pattern of anatomical structures that also link to hoofed mammals found in these ancient whales.

Thus, your narrative is busted, you don't even have a theory.

Yeah you sure showed me ...

 

[marke]

Because whales evolved relatively quickly and recently, so how does that weaken the argument exactly?

Deluded evolutionists see bones of similar creatures and conclude evolution must have connected the two species. That assumption is pure speculation and a bad one at that. Monkeys did not evolve from humans and humans did not evolve from plants or animals. Such nonsense is not backed by true science but by human misinterpretations of data and evidence.

 

[marke]

There's also the matter of the DNA evidence clearly tying hoofed mammals to modern whales more closely than anything else and then the pattern of anatomical structures that also link to hoofed mammals found in these ancient whales.

Human DNA is similar to the DNA of chimps and lab rats. That does not mean humans are blood-related to chimps or lab rats. Such speculation is fiction science.

 

[Eric h]

In some sense we are in agreement on this point, as I believe God designed through evolution.

The creation of the universe and life could not happen without God.

I believe God designed through evolution. Perhaps it's you that doesn't understand how God did the designing?

God created everything according to its kind, then life adapted and evolved.

 

[marke]

The creation of the universe and life could not happen without God.



God created everything according to its kind, then life adapted and evolved.

The evolution from one bacteria to another is real. Evolution from one fruit fly to another is real. Evolution from animal primate to human is a load of crap.

 

[Alate_One]

The evolution from one bacteria to another is real. Evolution from one fruit fly to another is real. Evolution from animal primate to human is a load of crap.

The DNA similarity between humans and other primates is more than between one bacteria and another, and many times between one fruit fly and another. So your objection isn't based on scientific evidence, it's based on your belief system.

 

[Alate_One]

Deluded evolutionists see bones of similar creatures and conclude evolution must have connected the two species. That assumption is pure speculation and a bad one at that. Monkeys did not evolve from humans and humans did not evolve from plants or animals. Such nonsense is not backed by true science but by human misinterpretations of data and evidence.

Uhh nobody says monkeys evolved from humans, nor that humans evolved from plants. However humans ARE animals still. The fact that viruses can easily jump between animals and humans should be a pretty obvious clue that our cells almost identical.

 

[Right Divider]

The DNA similarity between humans and other primates is more than between one bacteria and another, and many times between one fruit fly and another.

Similarity does not ipso facto indicate a descendant relationship.
Remember what I said about confirmation bias?

 

[Right Divider]

Uhh nobody says monkeys evolved from humans, nor that humans evolved from plants. However humans ARE animals still. The fact that viruses can easily jump between animals and humans should be a pretty obvious clue that our cells almost identical.

There is another theory as to why that is.

 

[User Name]

There is another theory as to why that is.

Except it isn't a "theory," it's a belief. A religious belief.

 

[JudgeRightly]

The DNA similarity between humans and other primates is more than between one bacteria and another, and many times between one fruit fly and another. So your objection isn't based on scientific evidence, it's based on your belief system.

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[JudgeRightly]

However humans ARE animals still.

No, humans are not animals.

Humans are humans.

Animals are animals.

Now, if you want to call yourself an animal, please by all means do, and I will laugh at you for it. But don't lump the rest of us in with you.

 

[Right Divider]

Except it isn't a "theory," it's a belief. A religious belief.

Evolutionism is a religious belief.

 

[Alate_One]

No, humans are not animals.

Humans are humans.

Animals are animals.

Now, if you want to call yourself an animal, please by all means do, and I will laugh at you for it. But don't lump the rest of us in with you.

Biologically speaking we are animals. Kingdom Animalia, Phylum Chordata, Subphylum Vertebrata, Class mammalia, order primates. This is simple biology, not under debate by anyone save the most hardline YEC ...

Explain why we get diseases, like COVID19 from animals if we aren't animals? Why do we test medications on animals if we are not animals?

 

[ok doser]

Explain why we get diseases, like COVID19 from animals if we aren't animals?

Are you a rock?

Explain why you get a headache if I hit you on the head with a rock if you aren't a rock?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Biologically speaking we are animals.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

We are humans. Not animals. We are created in God's image and likeness. Animals are not. That makes us different than animals.

Kingdom Animalia, Phylum Chordata, Subphylum Vertebrata, Class mammalia, order primates.

Just because someone says we're monkeys doesn't make us monkeys.

God says he made us differently in His word. Surely that counts for something?

This is simple biology, not under debate by anyone

You're right. It is simple biology. Man is not an animal. The only ones trying to debate it are the evolutionists.

You cannot discern the difference between humans and animals using purely physical means, because man is more than just the physical body.

save the most hardline YEC...

And God.

Why aren't you considering what HE has to say first?

Explain why we get diseases, like COVID19 from animals if we aren't animals?

Because of a common Designer who used the same genetic system as a building block for genetic information across all living organisms.

Why do we test medications on animals if we are not animals?

Because of a common Designer who used the same genetic system as a building block for genetic information across all living organisms.

 

[ok doser]

Because of a common Designer who used the same genetic system as a building block for genetic information across all living organisms.

 

[Alate_One]

Saying it doesn't make it so.

We are humans. Not animals. We are created in God's image and likeness. Animals are not. That makes us different than animals.

I am not saying we are the same as all other animals. We are learly quite different and chosen by God to be so. But that does not mean we are not animals. Dust we are and to dust we shall return.

You're right. It is simple biology. Man is not an animal. The only ones trying to debate it are the evolutionists.

You mean, all of biological science?

What makes humans NOT animals? We have cells lacking cell walls, we feed on other organisms. We reproduce via males and females.

You cannot discern the difference between humans and animals using purely physical means, because man is more than just the physical body.

Science can only study the physical and natural.

And God.

Why aren't you considering what HE has to say first?

Because of a common Designer who used the same genetic system as a building block for genetic information across all living organisms.

Ugh no. Not across all living organisms. Plant viruses and fungal viruses don't bother humans. Not all animL viruses do either because some animals are more similar to humans than others. Why is that so if, common design should be the same across all organisms?

And why would God use the same design across all mammals so viruses can jump species. God could have made us so different that it was virtually impossible for viruses to jump to us.

 

[Alate_One]

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I recommend you read a science textbook. This one encompasses tons of biology.

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