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They believe in faith alone to get saved. They also teach the same fear of preaching obedience as all faith alone preachers teach...do what Jesus says, but it has nothing to do with salvation, etc, etc, etc.
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They believe in faith alone to get saved. They also teach the same fear of preaching obedience as all faith alone preachers teach...do what Jesus says, but it has nothing to do with salvation, etc, etc, etc.
dodge
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Those scriptures plainly say that it was NOT works Abraham was justified by but the BELIEVING was how he was justified.
Rom 4:2
If Abraham was justified[fn] by works, he has something to brag about — but not before God.[fn]
Rom 4:3
For what does the Scripture say?
Abraham believed God,
and it was credited to him for righteousness.
Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course !
dodge
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The Lord's supper and baptism are NOT works they are done to be obedient to what Jesus said to do..
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Abraham OBEYED from the beginning.
dodge
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YOU still don't see the "if" in Romans 4:2.
Rom 4:2
If Abraham was justified[fn] by works, he has something to brag about — but not before God.[fn]
Rom 4:3
For what does the Scripture say?
Abraham believed God,
and it was credited to him for righteousness.
Abraham believed BEFORE he did anything !
Maybe you should take a reading comprehension course !
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That is about the WORK OF CIRCUMCISION.
JUST read HOW many times circumcision is mentioned in Romans!
Paul is NOT saying Abraham was not justified for obeying!
Romans 2:25Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised.
Romans 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
Romans 2:28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
Romans 2:29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
Romans 3:1 [ God’s Faithfulness ] What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision?
Romans 4:11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.
Did you read that last scripture?
Paul speaks about Abraham receiving CIRCUMCISION as a sign, a seal that he had by faith. The work Paul was speaking about is the WORK of CIRCUMCISION.
You are the one with the problem.
Hi and which Lord's supper are you speaking about ??
In Matthew ?
Or in 1 Cor 11 ??
As nthis two passages are different , DON'T YOU SEE !!
dan p