Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
All right.
The Left has become dangerously unhinged.
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WizardofOz
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1. I was calling [MENTION=17915]eider[/MENTION]'s bluff. Just as I suspected his premise was a red herring as he didn't want to criminalize abortion anyway just as I predicted.
2. It's not socialist. It's welfare capitalism.
3. Wouldn't your 5% tax rate ^ be enough to cover these programs? :chuckle: It's funny that you actually find the 'stealing' OK (taxation) just as long as it's only stealing an amount to your liking. It's where the money is spent that then makes you label the taxation as theft. If your neighbor robs you, is it only theft if he spends your money in a way you don't approve? :think:
drbrumley
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I said tariffs? I don't see any post of mine where I said tariffs. True, tariffs were some of it, but it surely wasn't all.
Agreed.
They sold land, they had user fees, they got paid by states for services. Not just tariffs, which I am not a big proponent of that anyway.
What for? It's my property.....you just cant come and take it :duh:
drbrumley
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All right.
Watch the movie Airplane, you will get it...well maybe not
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Very well.
Welfare programs are inherently socialist. They are redistributions of wealth.
No. Because the government shouldn't be doing anything other than what God gave it to do, and that is infrastructure and criminal (both foreign and domestic) justice. Nothing else.
With a 5% cap, a variable but flat tax is not confiscatory, yet gives the government leadership even in taxation. The interest on a 7-year surplus, plus a 1% tax, would fund the government indefinitely. Averaged over time this provision would let the market seek its own, optimal, non*arbitrary tax rate.
So you think that all taxation is wrong?
If so, please provide a way for the government to fund itself.
Not my liking. It's to what is just.
God instituted a 10% tax for the Israelite priests. He also said anything greater than 10% tax is tyranny. A 5% income tax (and no other forms of taxation or tolling) would be enough to fund the government (as I said above) indefinitely, so long as it sticks to its intended responsibilities.
Government established welfare programs make its citizens co-conspirators to theft through theft-by-receiving. Welfare checks replace fathers. Food stamps replace neighbors. When the government meets emergency needs, families and friends do not. It is easier to live with a welfare check than with a man. Many welfare recipients, like prostitutes, get paid for having sex outside of wedlock. An ungrateful recipient of charity is destroyed by welfare, which encourages them to remain as they are instead of bettering themselves.
If my neighbor robs me, it's theft regardless of what he does with what he stole. If the government robs me, it's theft regardless of what he does with what it stole.
drbrumley
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Let me be clear here...A government can tax its' citizens if it is agreed by all parties involved.
Perhaps I misread your comment.
Good.
Which it has the authority to do, as well as to buy land, all for infrastructure purposes.
Could you explain what that means, please?
Such as?
I'm glad.
Everything belongs to God, and he says render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's.
He didn't condemn taxation. He reinforced it.
WizardofOz
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Spoiler
Bake sales? Car washes? Lemonade stands?
That's true. When you're right, you're right.
drbrumley
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Funny!
Thank you
drbrumley
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You're welcome
drbrumley
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Perhaps!!
:up:
Yes, provided it acquired said land lawfully.
Explain what exactly, what user fees are? Like in the Gulf of Mexico, a oil drilling company wants to drill and they pay a user fee to do it? Make sense?
National Guard?
:up:
Ah, here is the crux of your belief right there. Perhaps the most misunderstood verse in the whole of scripture.
WizardofOz
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If the government taxes us and then builds roads, is this an example of socialism? Why or why not?
I wonder how WWII would have turned out with the above in place.
Sprechen sie Deutsch? :think:
No, I understand that it is necessary. Spending is the problem currently.
Does the United States spend too much on military and defense?
Well said :thumb:
No.
Because building roads is part of infrastructure.
Socialism is legalized plunder. It destroys the rule of law by sanctioning theft.
- Socialism: cattle rustlers get elected to the city council and decriminalized wealth redistribution.
- A socialist will give you the shirt off of another man’s back.
- Socialism makes conspirators of the public as it convicts them of theft*-by*-receiving.
We would have had a far superior military than we did, because all the money we used for things other than criminal justice and infrastructure would have been used for both (CJ includes the armed forces).
I asked if it was right or wrong, not if it was necessary.
Is it wrong for the government to tax its citizens?
As far as I'm concerned, America's government can never spend too much on military and defense, so long as it doesn't affect the quality of infrastructure, and vice versa.
Credit to Bob.
ok doser
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so you propose to pay for governmentally provided services as you use them?
or do you propose to do without them?
ok doser
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my fanboy!:cloud9:
Not sure what "agreed by all parties" means in this context. Are you suggesting that we only pay, individually, the taxes we agree are reasonable. Or do you mean we agree to collectively?