staind.raindrop
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Maybe when I decide if I'm making a better looking Myth to begin with. I hate decisions when there is no organization. :mmph:
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Maybe when I decide if I'm making a better looking Myth to begin with. I hate decisions when there is no organization. :mmph:
Man is not born into a sin debt, that's the original sin doctrine of the Persians. It influenced Judaism.
The atonement doctrine is rooted in selfishness. Some people have a hard time admitting their sin, receiving forgiveness by forgiving others as taught by Jesus in the Lord's Prayer.
Aimiel, you support killing an innocent man because you are to proud to face facts about yourself, admit them honestly, receive real forgiveness and in turn forgive others.
I think you are confusing Jewish teachings about heaven and the law with the actual good news. The Israelites had always had teachings about the Kingdom of Heaven but the teachings of Jesus and His disciples removed the legalistic premises.
Perhaps you see this as quibbling but if Jesus had not appeared post Mort to his disciples there would have been no proof of resurrection. That is the good news that electrified everyone. He is risen would have become He died and we believe went to heaven. Weak.
Aimiel
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Matthew 26:28
For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Those who don't submit themselves to eating His Flesh and drinking His Blood have no life in them:
John 6:53
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Because you are dead in your trespasses and sins you agree with the words of devils and teach their doctrines. It's only natural. You're doing what sinners do: agreeing with your father, the devil (Satan).
Jesus didn't teach human sacrifice. He sacrificed Himself willingly, by taking my place on the cross. I don't have to pay for my sins, since He already did. I have His Life in me. He took my death-sentence. The soul that sins shall die. I now don't have to die. I will NEVER see death. I am alive, forevermore. He paid the price for my sins. My debt to sin is paid. I am in perfect communion with my Heavenly Father. He loves you just as much as He loves me. All you have to do is take His Word for it, instead of the word of a devil, who does nothing but lie. Instead, you have chosen the lie.
After death comes: judgment. If you die in your sins you will be judged and you will be found guilty. The sentence is eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. Repent!!!
Aimiel
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I quite agree. We don't need 'original' sin, we're quite capable of sinning on our own. No one has ever gotten through their life without sin, except God.
No, that would be the 'ignorance' doctrine of demons that you subscribe to. Christ's atonement is the most selfless act ever performed. The Creator of the Universe came here to serve every one and to give His Life and His very Blood as a ransom for MANY.
That would be those who don't receive repentance that God sends them.
You're not making any sense. I accept the selfless act of Christ and drop my selfish ways of thinking I can become righteous or please God by doing my own works. My works are filthy rags, even if I purchase the entire planet and have everyone on earth on my side telling me I'm great. Without His Love I am nothing. Unless you eat His Flesh and drink His Blood you cannot have His Love. All you have is His rejection. He doesn't like those who are selfish, who reject His Sacrifice for their own works. He wants us to trust Him, not our own knowledge.
freelight
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All about Satan and evil.......
All about Satan and evil.......
As Caino mentioned,....the UB teaches that Lucifer, Satan and other rebellious sons of God are actual personalities. It presents Satan as Lucifer's first lieutenant in his plans to rebel against the divine plan and will. (other players in the rebellion were Caligastia, Abaddon, Beelzebub, etc.) - to see where the players all fit into the historical and hierarchal order of things, you'll have to read.
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The Lucifer Rebellion.
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For a detailed dissertation on evil with some insights from the UB, see here. (quotes from UB and Jesus himself, plus some good articles from a UB perspective by Dr. Meredith J. Sprunger).
pj
All about Satan and evil.......
As Caino mentioned,....the UB teaches that Lucifer, Satan and other rebellious sons of God are actual personalities. It presents Satan as Lucifer's first lieutenant in his plans to rebel against the divine plan and will. (other players in the rebellion were Caligastia, Abaddon, Beelzebub, etc.) - to see where the players all fit into the historical and hierarchal order of things, you'll have to read.
~*~*~
The Lucifer Rebellion.
~*~*~
For a detailed dissertation on evil with some insights from the UB, see here. (quotes from UB and Jesus himself, plus some good articles from a UB perspective by Dr. Meredith J. Sprunger).
pj
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staind.raindrop
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I asked him a question. He wasn't talking to you, hold your tongue!
I wasn't posting to you!
staind.raindrop
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You are now!
staind.raindrop
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Adorable!
Stained, you really ought to mind your own business! That is,
if you can find the time!
if you can find the time!
staind.raindrop
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Aw, you're cranky. Phooey.
Sure do! This thread is the #1 'weirdo' hangout on TOL!
The truth be told; this thread was started by the late 'Rod Serling!'
freelight
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the endless loophole of 'blood-atonement'......
the endless loophole of 'blood-atonement'......
We've covered extensively about the concept of blood-atonement, it originating from pagan schools/mythology coupled with the Mosaic sacrificial system and Paul's 'revelations' combining them all into 'his gospel'. The UB like other schools REJECT the concept of a 'blood-sacrifice' (let alone the use of 'human blood') as a means (or sole means) of gaining God's favor or forgiveness, since the blood of animals or any blood for that matter (speaking of the physical component) does not have the power to cleanse or absolve the conscience of man in and of itself. It avails nothing without true repentance and surrender to God, whose end result is doing right. No amount of blood can magically substitute for that.
As shared before, the 'blood of Christ' has rich symbolic meaning on inner levels referring to various aspects of life giving sustenance, in ways similar that physical blood nourishes the material body, tokens of meaning further expressed in the Eucharist-ritual, but these are essentially 'spiritual' in nature. Just like the mere physical act or partaking of the memorial meal may avail little, unless it is imbibed with the 'faith' of the participant sharing in the life (Spirit) of God. In this case the ritual serves as a 'medium' or 'symbol' of receiving the life-giving substance of God, which is only efficacious when appropriated with the right attitude of heart and receptivity of spirit. Even so however,...it is the sharing of the Spirit of God, and not necessarily a concept of 'vicarious blood atonement' and all its technicalities that is involved here.
Again we return to the seminal message of Jesus which was 'repentance' and 'faith' in the 'kingdom-reality' of heaven (the dominion of the Spirit and its eternal principles which are the essence of eternal life). - all else imposed are various doctrinal concepts, religious dogmas, 'theology'. - do you want to cram your mind with 'theology' or 'living truth' which liberates? In a realm of 'free will', the choice is yours.
pj
the endless loophole of 'blood-atonement'......
We've covered extensively about the concept of blood-atonement, it originating from pagan schools/mythology coupled with the Mosaic sacrificial system and Paul's 'revelations' combining them all into 'his gospel'. The UB like other schools REJECT the concept of a 'blood-sacrifice' (let alone the use of 'human blood') as a means (or sole means) of gaining God's favor or forgiveness, since the blood of animals or any blood for that matter (speaking of the physical component) does not have the power to cleanse or absolve the conscience of man in and of itself. It avails nothing without true repentance and surrender to God, whose end result is doing right. No amount of blood can magically substitute for that.
As shared before, the 'blood of Christ' has rich symbolic meaning on inner levels referring to various aspects of life giving sustenance, in ways similar that physical blood nourishes the material body, tokens of meaning further expressed in the Eucharist-ritual, but these are essentially 'spiritual' in nature. Just like the mere physical act or partaking of the memorial meal may avail little, unless it is imbibed with the 'faith' of the participant sharing in the life (Spirit) of God. In this case the ritual serves as a 'medium' or 'symbol' of receiving the life-giving substance of God, which is only efficacious when appropriated with the right attitude of heart and receptivity of spirit. Even so however,...it is the sharing of the Spirit of God, and not necessarily a concept of 'vicarious blood atonement' and all its technicalities that is involved here.
Again we return to the seminal message of Jesus which was 'repentance' and 'faith' in the 'kingdom-reality' of heaven (the dominion of the Spirit and its eternal principles which are the essence of eternal life). - all else imposed are various doctrinal concepts, religious dogmas, 'theology'. - do you want to cram your mind with 'theology' or 'living truth' which liberates? In a realm of 'free will', the choice is yours.
pj
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