The "L" in TULIP Makes Calvinism Anti-Gospel and Anti-Christ

[Lon]

You don't glorify cults when you refute them.

It is not possible to teach truth without refuting error.

Let me try and prove you wrong?

1+1=2; anything else is an error or an insignificant oddity.


:think:

I don't think that you have the truth.

(emphasis mine) I know. It isn't as important to me that you are against Calvinism as it is that you aren't against scripture and are attending a local church. I'd much rather you wrestle with Romans 9 than start a billion anti-Calvinism threads. I don't really do these, that much (have you noticed?). Again, it is incredibly more important to me that TOL members read and understand scriptures rather than our interpretations of them. It is important to be good Bereans. They were more noble for it. Spend more time on truth, less time on what you perceive to be error.

2 Timothy 4:2.

Again, I don't mind people being given focus Calvinism-ward. Negative or positive, attention is attention, but if your only legacy is to spotlight it, your legacy is Calvinism swallowing you up. Do you follow? :think:

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Can you explain the difference between murder execution and just plain murder and just plain execution?

1) Murder is, planning and lying in wait to take someones life.

2) Murder execution would be done to an undeserving person
who, in the case of Calvin and his ilk, didn't agree with their doctrine
and considered them a heretic.

3) Execution can be used for a crime against the state, such as
murdering another human being. Desertion from the military, etc.

These are my own definitions. I didn't Google them.

 

[Brother Ducky]

Is the Westminster Confession of Faith inspired by God, like
the Bible? Or, was it just a bunch of Calvinists sitting around
making things up as they sat there in their comfortable easy
chairs?

I am not sure that these are the only two possible choices.

No, the WCF is not inspired, but is solidly based on Scripture. But, the reference to the WCF is in response to your blanket statement that Calvinists do not believe in free will. On the other hand, can you point out a verse that clearly says that fallen people have the the capacity to choose the be saved on the basis of their free will?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I am not sure that these are the only two possible choices.

No, the WCF is not inspired, but is solidly based on Scripture. But, the reference to the WCF is in response to your blanket statement that Calvinists do not believe in free will. On the other hand, can you point out a verse that clearly says that fallen people have the the capacity to choose the be saved on the basis of their free will?

Have you read the entire word of God, cover to cover?

 

[Brother Ducky]

1) Murder is, planning and lying in wait to take someones life.

2) Murder execution would be done to an undeserving person
who, in the case of Calvin and his ilk, didn't agree with their doctrine
and considered them a heretic.

3) Execution can be used for a crime against the state, such as
murdering another human being. Desertion from the military, etc.

These are my own definitions. I didn't Google them.

Fair enough. Were any of those who were murder executed in Geneva found guilty of capital crimes in Geneva?

 

[Brother Ducky]

Have you read the entire word of God, cover to cover?

Not sure the question is pertinent to the discussion, but yes, I have. I try to do so every year. I fail in some years, do very well in others.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

No matter what verses I chose to use, you'd look at them through
Calvinist glasses and define them according to your preconceived
belief system. Be honest now. That's exactly what you'd do. You
and I both realize that. It would be a waste of both our time.

Calvinists look at a particular verse and see what Calvin saw. On
the other hand, a Grace Gospel (Paul's Gospel) believer will
interpret it their way.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Fair enough. Were any of those who were murder executed in Geneva found guilty of capital crimes in Geneva?

You tell me? Were they?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Not sure the question is pertinent to the discussion, but yes, I have. I try to do so every year. I fail in some years, do very well in others.

That's a good thing.

 

[Crucible]

1) Murder is, planning and lying in wait to take someones life.

2) Murder execution would be done to an undeserving person
who, in the case of Calvin and his ilk, didn't agree with their doctrine
and considered them a heretic.

3) Execution can be used for a crime against the state, such as
murdering another human being. Desertion from the military, etc.

These are my own definitions. I didn't Google them.

Anglicans and Roman Catholics were executing who they deemed heretics. Civilians were massacring each other, iconoclasms ensued, people burned down each other's churches.

It was the Late Ages. Get over it.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

BD, it would be simple to find out if those 50 some people
were guilty of other crimes besides so called heresy. I just
haven't done an exhaustive study on the subject.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Anglicans and Roman Catholics were executing who they deemed heretics. Civilians were massacring each other, iconoclasms ensued, people burned down each other's churches.

It was the Late Ages. Get over it.

Well, if I held a "church father" in high regard, I'd
want to know if he was involved in "murder
executions." Wouldn't you?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Someone once said; "You can take Calvin out of the Catholic church,
but you can't take the Catholic church out of Calvin." Did Calvin not
believe in water baptism for small babies?

 

[Brother Ducky]

No matter what verses I chose to use, you'd look at them through
Calvinist glasses and define them according to your preconceived
belief system. Be honest now. That's exactly what you'd do. You
and I both realize that. It would be a waste of both our time.

Calvinists look at a particular verse and see what Calvin saw. On
the other hand, a Grace Gospel (Paul's Gospel) believer will
interpret it their way.

So [all] Calvinists follow blindly after what Calvin wrote, and [all] Grace Gospelists independently looked at Scripture [and Scripture alone] and all came to the same conclusion?

What I gather from your answer really comes down to something like "we Grace Gospelists sat around in our easy chairs making stuff up" because there is no verse that states that fallen humans can choose to be saved on the basis of their own free will.

 

[Crucible]

Someone once said; "You can take Calvin out of the Catholic church,
but you can't take the Catholic church out of Calvin." Did Calvin not
believe in water baptism for small babies?

So did Martin Luther. THE FOUNDERS OF PROTESTANTISM.

Don't get mad because my theology boasts the original, formulating theology of the actual Reformation which challenged the Catholic Church. My beliefs actually sit on a logical foundation, yours are utterly arbitrary :idunno:

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

So [all] Calvinists follow blindly after what Calvin wrote, and [all] Grace Gospelists independently looked at Scripture [and Scripture alone] and all came to the same conclusion?

What I gather from your answer really comes down to something like "we Grace Gospelists sat around in our easy chairs making stuff up" because there is no verse that states that fallen humans can choose to be saved on the basis of their own free will.

You've fallen back into childishness now. I started to respect you
as an adult. That's to bad, you were doing so well.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

So did Martin Luther. THE FOUNDERS OF PROTESTANTISM.

Don't get mad because my theology boasts the original, formulating theology of the actual Reformation which challenged the Catholic Church. My beliefs actually sit on a logical foundation, yours are utterly arbitrary :idunno:

Both you and Ducky are acting like 9 year old children now. I'll
return when I see an adult posting here.

 

[Brother Ducky]

Someone once said; "You can take Calvin out of the Catholic church,
but you can't take the Catholic church out of Calvin." Did Calvin not
believe in water baptism for small babies?

Most Reformed would hold to paedobaptism. Not sure that there is a size/weight limit on the practice, however.

I have worshiped with a many different groups for various lengths of time [from 1 service to years] but in so far as I know, never with a Grace Gospelist. If I attended such a service, if Grace Gospelists even go to public worship on a regular basis, would there be anything there that would also be in common with a Catholic Mass?

 

[Brother Ducky]

You've fallen back into childishness now. I started to respect you
as an adult. That's to bad, you were doing so well.

Childish? I do not think so.

If I am wrong, say so and why. If you can't give a verse give what you can and exegete. Will I agree, most likely not, but my views have changed with new information and maturity.

 

[Brother Ducky]

BD, it would be simple to find out if those 50 some people
were guilty of other crimes besides so called heresy. I just
haven't done an exhaustive study on the subject.

Not a real interest of mine.

If heresy was a capital offense in Geneva, why would you consider an execution to be anything other than an execution?