Universalism is heresy.
So you make no case here- if you believe that not everyone is going to be saved, your point is utterly moot.
The "L" in TULIP Makes Calvinism Anti-Gospel and Anti-Christ
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Universalism is heresy.
So you make no case here- if you believe that not everyone is going to be saved, your point is utterly moot.
Everyone is not going to be saved because not everyone has faith.
Saving faith is faith in the work and the person of Jesus Christ.
You apparently don't have it because some one convinced you that the Catholic church is your savior.
Yes, God has made a way for all to be saved but not all will take advantage of that free gift. As stated only those who have faith and are afforded grace will be saved.
Calvinism is the most opposed theology to Catholicism that exists. That is why it is called REFORMED doctrine.
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Sometimes it seems like you don't really think about what you're typing, you just throw out anything and hope it lands on something.
I believe that God chooses the elect, as that is what the most rational explanation of calling us the 'elect' is.
If you choose God, then guess what? You are electing him.
You are closer to Catholicism because they believe in free will. When Martin Luther and John Calvin came along, they broke the papacy from their faith and took the Scriptures as being the final authority. Therein, they replaced the false doctrines of the Roman Church with what the Bible teaches, which includes PREDESTINATION.
genuineoriginal
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Of course God chooses the elect.
The problem with Calvinism/Reformed Soteriology is that it assumes that God's choice is completely arbitrary instead of dependent of what God determines as worthiness.
Luke 21:36 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. |
Calvin brought some Catholic luggage with him when he left. He's
also on my: "Evil Guys in Christian History" list.
The reformation was about justification by faith apart from the works of the law.
Matin Luther had no part in John Calvins doctrine of predestination.
God created all men for a purpose, and with that I'm going to show the intellectual sin of open theism and otherwise those who hold to free will-
if God created you for a purpose, then you cannot escape that purpose. If you could, then that not only makes God inept, but it also supposes that the only purpose a person really has is to be in grace and without sin, which is no less arbitrary then what you suppose of the latter.
That is to say, when you call anything 'arbitrary', you call anything else arbitrary as well. This is one of the key things many don't seem to understand about arguments against predestination- God wills, and that is that.
beloved57
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You teach Justification by the Law, by doing something ! Justification by works, law , doing something, all the same thing !
beloved57
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Those Christ died for are saved without Faith, they are saved/reconciled to God while they are enemies Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
You are teaching salvation by works, by what a person does !
God's purpose for your life is that you believe on his Son Jesus Christ.
After that it is God's purpose for your life that you become a witness for Christ and his Gospel.
The God of Calvinism is unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous and is a tyrant.
The worst part of that is it is not possible to have saving faith in such a God as that.
genuineoriginal
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You won't be able to do it.
You just lost the argument since you assume God created people for anything other than His pleasure.
Revelation 4:11 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. |
You just lost the argument a second time, since many have escaped God's purpose and did not please Him.
1 Corinthians 10:5 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. |
You just lost a third time by claiming God is inept because He chose to use our iniquities and sins as a standard.
Isaiah 59:1-2 1 Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: 2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. |
It is not an arbitrary standard that God has chosen to use.
Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. |
You are using the word arbitrary in an arbitrary way.
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arbitrary
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
Something that's arbitrary seems like it's chosen at random instead of following a consistent rule.
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God does not select the elect by random choice or personal whim, but with specific reasons for making each choice following consistent rules that He established, like this one:arbitrary
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
Something that's arbitrary seems like it's chosen at random instead of following a consistent rule.
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Romans 10:9 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. |
There are many things you don't seem to understand about open Theism.
Open Theism is based on God giving man the free will to turn to Him or reject Him, and giving man the responsibility to make a difference in the lives of others.
Jude 20-23 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. |
fishrovmen
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Go read your post # 53 where you clearly show how there is a limited atonement for unbelievers.
Because Jesus atoned for the sin of the whole world is not universalism. It is an invitation to those who wish to accept the gift of salvation. Not all will.
fishrovmen
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I dont believe Pate is a universalist, but he clearly believes in a limited atonement.
Don't think so. He does not believe in predestination.
OCTOBER23
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JESUS ONLY PAID FOR PAST SINS AND NOT FUTURE ONES
which are YOUR Responsibility.
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Ro 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past,
--SINS THAT ARE PAST--
which are YOUR Responsibility.
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Ro 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past,
--SINS THAT ARE PAST--
Ah... No, He forgave all sin past present and future. Other wise what was the use of the Cross.
https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/forgiven-for-all-sins-or-just-past-sins/
HOGWASH, I never led anyone to believe in a limited atonement.