The "L" in TULIP Makes Calvinism Anti-Gospel and Anti-Christ

[Crucible]

Scriptural support for Limited Atonement:

Exodus 4:21, 14:4, 8, 17
Deuteronomy 2:30, 9:4-7, 29:4
Joshua 11:19
1 Samuel 2:25, 3:14
2 Samuel 17:14
Psalm 105:25
Proverbs 15:8, 26, 28:9
Isaiah 53:11
Jeremiah 24:7
Matthew 1:21, 11:25-27, 13:10-15, 44-46, 15:13, 20:28, 22:14, 24:22
Luke 8:15, 13:23, 19:42
John 5:21, 6:37, 44, 65, 8:42-47, 10:11, 14, 26-28, 11:49-53, 12:37-41, 13:1, 18, 15:16, 17:2, 6, 9, 18:9, 37
Acts 2:39, 13:48, 18:27, 19:9
Romans 9:10-26, 11:5-10; 1
1 Corinthians 1:18-31, 2:14
2 Corinthians 2:14-16, 4:3
Galatians 1:3
Ephesians 2:1-10
Colossians 2:13; 2
Thessalonians 2:9-14; 2
1 Timothy 2:20, 25
Titus 2:14
Hebrews 1:3, 14, 2:9
1 Peter 2:8
2 Peter 2:7
1 John 4:6
Jude 1, 14
Revelation 13:8, 17:8, 15-18, 21:27


Read and weep, non-reformers.

 

[Bright Raven]

Scriptural support for Limited Atonement:

Exodus 4:21, 14:4, 8, 17; Deuteronomy 2:30, 9:4-7, 29:4; Joshua 11:19; 1 Samuel 2:25, 3:14; 2 Samuel 17:14; Psalm 105:25; Proverbs 15:8, 26, 28:9; Isaiah 53:11; Jeremiah 24:7; Matthew 1:21, 11:25-27, 13:10-15, 44-46, 15:13, 20:28, 22:14, 24:22; Luke 8:15, 13:23, 19:42; John 5:21, 6:37, 44, 65, 8:42-47, 10:11, 14, 26-28, 11:49-53, 12:37-41, 13:1, 18, 15:16, 17:2, 6, 9, 18:9, 37; Acts 2:39, 13:48, 18:27, 19:9; Romans 9:10-26, 11:5-10; 1 Corinthians 1:18-31, 2:14; 2 Corinthians 2:14-16, 4:3; Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 2:1-10; Colossians 2:13; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-14; 2 Timothy 2:20, 25; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 1:3, 14, 2:9, 16 (cp. Galatians 3:29, 4:28-31), 9:28; 1 Peter 2:8; 2 Peter 2:7; 1 John 4:6; Jude 1, 14; Revelation 13:8, 17:8, 15-18, 21:27.

Read and weep, non-reformers.

Now go to the same lengths for unlimited atonement. It's there. All that needs to be done is give one scripture and your theory is blown out of the sky so to speak. Are you part of the atonement? How do you know?

 

[fishrovmen]

I don't have the slightest idea of what you mean by "Jesus substituted his blood". There is nothing in the Bible about Jesus substituting his blood.

Lets try something else. Can you tell me what the whole purpose was of Jesus dying for our sins WITHOUT USING THE WORD "ATONE"?

 

[Bright Raven]

Lets try something else. Can you tell me what the whole purpose was of Jesus dying for our sins WITHOUT USING THE WORD "ATONE"?

To bring us back into fellowship with the Father. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[fishrovmen]

To bring us back into fellowship with the Father. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Do you believe that God imputes sins back to people after they were "atoned"?

 

[Bright Raven]

Do you believe that God imputes sins back to people after they were "atoned"?

Jeremiah 31:33-34 King James Version (KJV)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

 

[fishrovmen]

Jeremiah 31:33-34 King James Version (KJV)

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I guess that's a "no". I think Robert Pate is the only one that believes in the imputation of destroyed, atoned sins.

 

[Bright Raven]

I guess that's a "no". I think Robert Pate is the only one that believes in the imputation of destroyed, atoned sins.

That's correct. As for Pate, I don't know.

 

[Robert Pate]

I guess that's a "no". I think Robert Pate is the only one that believes in the imputation of destroyed, atoned sins.

The Bible teaches the imputation of sin and righteousness.

2 Samuel 19:19. Romans 4:8. Romans 4:11, 22, 23, 24. Romans 5:13. James 2:23. Psalm 32:2. 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Since Jesus is Lord over ALL THINGS he has the right to do with sin as he pleases.

 

[fishrovmen]

The Bible teaches the imputation of sin and righteousness.

2 Samuel 19:19. Romans 4:8. Romans 4:11, 22, 23, 24. Romans 5:13. James 2:23. Psalm 32:2. 2 Corinthians 5:19.

Since Jesus is Lord over ALL THINGS he has the right to do with sin as he pleases.

I'm fully aware of those verses, NONE of them show the imputation of atoned and destroyed sins.
Do you have a checking account Robert? Have you ever tried to deposit a cancelled check into your account? That CANCELLED check has no value whatsoever. Think about it.

 

[Robert Pate]

I'm fully aware of those verses, NONE of them show the imputation of atoned and destroyed sins.
Do you have a checking account Robert? Have you ever tried to deposit a cancelled check into your account? That CANCELLED check has no value whatsoever. Think about it.

What are you implying now, that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the world?

Maybe you should tell Jesus how he should deal with the sins of unbelievers since you don't like the idea of imputation.

Your problem is that you don't like the idea of a judgment where all wrongs will be made right.

 

[fishrovmen]

What are you implying now, that Jesus did not atone for the sins of the world?

Maybe you should tell Jesus how he should deal with the sins of unbelievers since you don't like the idea of imputation.

Your problem is that you don't like the idea of a judgment where all wrongs will be made right.

I dont have any problem whatsoever with the imputation of sins, never have and never will. You clearly dont understand that I am talking about the imputation of sins that you claim were destroyed, atoned for, forgiven, paid for, wiped out, cancelled.
As I said before try to deposit a cancelled check that has no value into your account and get back to me.

 

[Robert Pate]

I dont have any problem whatsoever with the imputation of sins, never have and never will. You clearly dont understand that I am talking about the imputation of sins that you claim were destroyed, atoned for, forgiven, paid for, wiped out, cancelled.
As I said before try to deposit a cancelled check that has no value into your account and get back to me.

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world. This includes the sins of believers and non believers, 1 John 4:14. Jesus is Lord and he is the Lord of sin. He can do with it as he pleases because he owns it.

If he wants to impute sin back it to unbelievers, even though there sins were atoned for, he can do that because he is Lord.

 

[fishrovmen]

The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world. This includes the sins of believers and non believers, 1 John 4:14. Jesus is Lord and he is the Lord of sin. He can do with it as he pleases because he owns it.

If he wants to impute sin back it to unbelievers, even though there sins were atoned for, he can do that because he is Lord.

No wonder Brinsmead ran away to Australia

 

[Robert Pate]

No wonder Brinsmead ran away to Australia

Your problem is with the scriptures.

You can't figure out how Jesus atones for the sins of the world and then deals with the sins of unbelievers.

 

[Crucible]

God created all of His creations with a free-will. Calvinists disagree
with this fact. Much to their detriment. The free choice of man is
seen all over the Old and New Testament. Yet, the Calvinists will
deny what's right in front of them. Their "belief system" causes
their minds to accept blindness.

Predestination is a very empowering belief. For example, it empowers me to see all your rambling on the matter is you trying to determine what my status is with God, which makes you a son of perdition.

Pretty convicting, you see. Neither pope or otherwise.. Calvinism doesn't leave any room for your shenanigans. Or perhaps you aren't aware of why the Reformation happened in the first place?

Must've been predestined

 

[Brother Ducky]

Your problem is with the scriptures.

You can't figure out how Jesus atones for the sins of the world and then deals with the sins of unbelievers.

Since you are such a big fan of the Scriptures, except when they say something you have decided the Scriptures are wrong, how about a single verse where it plainly says that sins are re-imputed to someone Christ has atoned for. You insist that 4 verses are meaningless, so how about just one?

 

[Robert Pate]

Since you are such a big fan of the Scriptures, except when they say something you have decided the Scriptures are wrong, how about a single verse where it plainly says that sins are re-imputed to someone Christ has atoned for. You insist that 4 verses are meaningless, so how about just one?

There is nothing that I have said the scriptures are wrong about.

Maybe you would like to tell us how God deals with the sins of unbelievers after Jesus atoned for the sins of the world? 1 John 4:14.

Romans 4:8 is in the Bible for a reason.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Christ paid the price for ALL the sins of mankind, past, present, and future.
God's gift of forgiveness of sins, and eternal life is open to anybody who will
hear the Gospel, and place ALL their faith in Christ as their Savior. However,
only those who place their faith in Christ, will receive these benefits. Those
who reject the Savior will be judged and subsequently, be cast into the Lake
of Fire, where they will spend eternity.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Predestination is a very empowering belief. For example, it empowers me to see all your rambling on the matter is you trying to determine what my status is with God, which makes you a son of perdition.

Pretty convicting, you see. Neither pope or otherwise.. Calvinism doesn't leave any room for your shenanigans. Or perhaps you aren't aware of why the Reformation happened in the first place?

Must've been predestined

All of your wrongs, don't make a single right.