beloved57
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The Importance of Believing that Jesus Atoned for the Sins of the World
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Brother Ducky
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Not really a response to the issue at hand. You claim, often, that God imputes sin back to some certain individuals. You reference a verse that, at first glance, says not a thing about this so-called imputation. Defend your position, please, if are so able.
Do you have a concordance? Look up the word "Impute" "Imputed" "Imputeth" "Imputing".
IMPUTE: 1, To attribute (a fault, crime,etc.) to a person; charge.
God not only imputes sin, he also imputes righteousness, Romans 4:22.
In the judgment if you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed to you and you will be condemned. That is the purpose of the judgment.
This is why the scripture says... "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" Romans 4:8.
beloved57
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Jerry Shugart
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The Lord Jesus did not bare the sins of all on the Cross but instead only those who believe:
"Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors" (Isa.53:12).
It is only those who have been baptized into the Body of Christ who are identified with the Lord Jesus' death on the Cross, the death which expiates sins:
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death" (Ro.6:3-4).
According to your ideas those who have not been baptized into the Body of Christ have also been baptized into His death.
The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14, John 12:47, Hebrews 2:9, 1 Timothy 4:10.
If Jesus did not victoriously defeat sin, death and the devil, God would not have accepted him into heaven. Colossians 2:15.
Salvation has been provided for all, but not all want it. All that Jesus is and all that he has done becomes ours by simple faith.
beloved57
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Invalid comments, also this poster teaches that many Christ died for end up in hell !
Christ has tasted death for every man, Hebrews 2:9.
But not every man appreciates or wants this. They are the unsaved.
beloved57
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Invalid comment ! Those Christ died for are reconciled to God by His Death and saved by His life! Rom 5:10!
They also by His Death are sanctified once and for all Hebrew 10:10 !
:darwinsm: You don't have a clue as to what the atonement is.
If God has already reconciled the world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
Then why would anyone need to be predestinated?
Answer: They don't.
beloved57
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When Jesus died on the cross the old sinful Adamic race died with him, Romans 6:6.
When Jesus arose from the dead a new humanity arose with him, 2 Corinthians 5:17.
Paul's Gospel is not new. It is the same Gospel that Peter preached on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:41.
It is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
That's one theory, but the original gospel is the one the Jews would have taught if they accepted Jesus.
God is changeless, Eternal and Infinite. He has always been forgiving without primitive sacrifices and certainly without the murder of his innocent Son. But even in that sad hour, the rejection of his original gospel ministry, the Son's attitude was one of forgiveness towards the savage religious people whose father was the devil.
Atonement is a man made theory because man is to proud to admit his wrongs, ask for and receive loving forgiveness. Easier then to believe a theory as opposed to real personal transformation.
Ben Masada
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Jesus did not lay his life down neither as an act of love nor willingly. If you remember his anxiety in the Gethsemane, he prayed three times asking not to have to walk the Via Dolorosa. It means that he was forced to go to the cross against his will. "Not my will be done but yours" he said. It means that he went to the cross against his will. If his intention was to draw attention to his original gospel aka Judaism, he failed because the power of Paul was superior to replace that of Jesus.
My gosh you poor stubborn man! Jesus wept for you! The "bitter cup" was the coming rejection of his own people and the devastation that would fall upon the Jews in the coming ages after they broke the agreement and lost the over care of the Lord God of Israel.
Hello!?!?! Ben Mazda?!?! There's a mosque built on top your temple!!!!
Earth to Ben?????
Ben Masada
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1 - And intelligently you did it. Jesus knew that Prophet Jeremiah had declared that HaShem never commanded that animal sacrifices be part of the religion of Israel. (Jer. 7:22)
2 - I agree with you.
3 - Yes, he did because he knew they did not know what they were talking about.
4 - Hence, prophet Isaiah said that, to set things right with God so that our sins, as scarlet red become as white as snow, the only way was through repentance and obedience to God's Law. (Isa. 1:18,19)
5 - Perhaps, he protested but... to attack would be a little out of place. Jesus was a Jewish authority too.
6 - Yes, Hosea 6:6. He probably had in mind Jer. 7:22.
7 - Now, you have spoken according to the Faith of Jesus which was Judaism. When can I pay the homage, "welcome home?"
8 - Wow! What's taking you so long to mention the magic word?