The Gospel Verses Predestination
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There is not one scripture in the whole Bible about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell.
Calvinism is a joke.
beloved57
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What scripture do you think says that God predestinates people to heaven and to hell?
beloved57
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The fact remains.
There is no scripture that says God predestinates people to heaven or to hell.
If this was a true doctrine the Bible would be full of it, there is NOTHING.
God is no respecter of persons, "Then Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons" Acts 10:34.
This is why Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world,1 John 2:2. All sin has been atoned for so that now... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Salvation has been provided for everyone, "That he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERYONE" Hebrews 2:9.
There are many more scriptures that teach salvation by grace through faith than there is that you think teaches Calvinism.
beloved57
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Fact remains you have rejected what the scripture says quite plainly.
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What a worthless commentary.
It matters not whether the predestination is one of the elect or all of the elect in Romans 8. The fact still remains that the elect are predestined to be made alive in Christ, saved by grace and gifted faith.
beloved57
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The fact that some individuals have been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ out from among being sinners by nature, proves predestination to salvation, even glorification Rom 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[FONT="] [/FONT]29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[FONT="] [/FONT]30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Notice they were predestinated prior to being called, and before being called men are in darkness and sin. Peter says men were called out of darkness 1 Pet 2:9
9 [FONT="]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
So the journey of predestination started before time, into time to calling the elect out of darkness unto conformity to the image of Christ in glorification, nothing but a blind person cant see this is teaching predestination to Salvation, even Glorification ![/FONT]
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[FONT="] [/FONT]29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
[FONT="] [/FONT]30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Notice they were predestinated prior to being called, and before being called men are in darkness and sin. Peter says men were called out of darkness 1 Pet 2:9
9 [FONT="]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
So the journey of predestination started before time, into time to calling the elect out of darkness unto conformity to the image of Christ in glorification, nothing but a blind person cant see this is teaching predestination to Salvation, even Glorification ![/FONT]
beloved57
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Now the fact that some have been predestinated to hell and disobedience and wrath is taught in scripture. In 1 Pet 2:8 Peter says some had been appointed or destined to disobedience 1 Pet 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Now the word appointed here is the greek word tithémi and means:
to appoint one to (destine one to be) anything, passive, 1 Peter 2:8;
Now such are the children of disobedience destined to wrath Eph 5:6
[FONT="]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath[FONT="] of God upon the children of [/FONT]diso[FONT="]bedience.[/FONT][FONT="]
Col 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
So if theyre destined to disobedience consequently they are destined to wrath of God.
Another scripture that proves men are destined to hell and condemnation is Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men
The word ordained here means written beforehand, to be designated or marked out beforehand to this condemnation.
The condemnation here results eternal damnation ![/FONT][/FONT]
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
Now the word appointed here is the greek word tithémi and means:
to appoint one to (destine one to be) anything, passive, 1 Peter 2:8;
Now such are the children of disobedience destined to wrath Eph 5:6
[FONT="]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath[FONT="] of God upon the children of [/FONT]diso[FONT="]bedience.[/FONT][FONT="]
Col 3:6
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
So if theyre destined to disobedience consequently they are destined to wrath of God.
Another scripture that proves men are destined to hell and condemnation is Jude 1:4
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men
The word ordained here means written beforehand, to be designated or marked out beforehand to this condemnation.
The condemnation here results eternal damnation ![/FONT][/FONT]
Nanja
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Excellent #549, #550!
Many are indeed blinded by the God of this world 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
So according to scripture, if they never come to believe these Gospel Truths of predestination to Salvation and Glorification, they were condemned already John 3:18, 36.
Everyone that was saved in the New Testament were saved because they heard and believed the Gospel.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.
"This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith (which is the Gospel) Galatians 3:2.
"Then they gladly received his word (the Gospel) and were baptized: and the same day there was added unto them about 3,000 souls" Acts 2:41.
"For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" Hebrews 4:2.
If you want to be saved, you will have to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13.
beloved57
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You continue to reject scripture which condemns your unbelief.
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Right, I have a strong unbelief in Calvinism.
beloved57
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I showed you scripture affirming both that men are predestined to salvation and damnation and you rejected it in unbelief.
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You have showed me 0.
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says God predestinates people to heaven or to hell.
beloved57
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You are desperate to believe a lie.
"Predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son" Romans 8:29.
"Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called" Romans 8:30.
"According as he has chosen us IN HIM (Christ) before the foundation of the world" Ephesians 1:4.
"Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ unto himself" Ephesians 1:5.
"In whom also we have obtained an inheritance being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will" Ephesians 1:11.
All of the scriptures listed above apply to me who is not a Calvinist.
Here is the scripture that you need to read.
"In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom after that you also believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise" Ephesians 1:13.
beloved57
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Nanja
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Amen, I have witnessed the same!