It's ironic how I quote Jesus' words and you reject them out of hand.
I thought you said you only listened to Jesus, yet you reject what He said about Paul.
Why do you reject Jesus' words, Meshak!?
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I thought you said you only listened to Jesus, yet you reject what He said about Paul.
Why do you reject Jesus' words, Meshak!?
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If someone doesn't believe, WHY would they get baptized? Even if they did, it wouldn't help them because they don't believe. It says he that believe AND IS baptized will be saved.
Acts 2:41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.
Who was added? Those who believed ONLY, those who were baptized ONLY or as Jesus said believed and baptized.
You obviously haven't read the context, it starts in the previous chapter.
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I suggest you're going by one verse pulled out of context. What is Paul's point based on context?
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Again, you're pulling one verse out of context and building a doctrine on it. What other scripture would you use to support that concept?
Do you think it's wise to stand on single verses?
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Absolutely true, and he tells us when he does.
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Do you have an example from scripture?
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You show me with scripture that baptized "IN THE NAME OF" Jesus is not water and then you'll have a point. Just because you say what you believe doesn't make it so. Prove it with scripture.
How did I reject His word?
turbosixx
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It wasn't the RIGHT time to proclaim Him as Christ.
Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
Hmmm How about the second criminal on the cross next to Jesus'?
He never got baptised, and as far as we can tell, he wasn't a Jew. Yet Jesus said "today you will be with Me in paradise (speaking of Abraham's Bosom, a part of hell separate from where the wicked and unrighteous were being held, where the righteous awaited the death of the High Priest (see "cities of refuge" in the books of the law)).
How about every man, woman, and child who accepted Christ as Savior through Paul, between the few that he baptised at the beginning of his ministry and 20 year later, when he said he had not baptised any except for those few people??
Go read the passage of Scripture I posted above.
Note that Jesus was speaking several times in that passage. You dismissed the entire passage as being "too long."
That's rejecting Christ's words.
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I already showed you what that passage means, but you don't believe it.
There is NO "rebaptizing" going on there.
Your understanding of the VARIOUS baptisms in scripture is terrible.
Those long details are for rejecters who do not accept Jesus' simple teachings like most of you.
And you still twist away what He says.
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Poor meshak .... you are the rejecter. You reject the LORD Jesus Christ and believe in a fake "Jesus".
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Did he die BEFORE Jesus said
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
You're not understanding Paul's point in 1:17. Do you really believe that this is an argument to not be baptized? Especially when we see Paul not give believers the Holy Spirit until he baptizes these believers who had already been baptized.
Still rejecting Jesus' words, I see.
Jesus said (speaking of Saul/Paul) to Ananias:
But the Lord said to him, [JESUS]“Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”[/JESUS] - Acts 9:15-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts9:15-16&version=NKJV
By rejecting this detail, you put yourself in danger of missing important things that are said in the Bible.
The Bible is thick for a reason, Meshak. You can't just reject part of it because you don't like details.
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Classic "Churchianity".... this is NOT a FORMULA.
"In the name of" means "by the AUTHORITY of". They were to baptize BY THE AUTHORITY OF GOD (Father, Son and Holy Spirit).
Yes. And?
No. Scripture states clearly that baptism IS NOT REQUIRED, not that one should not.
Huge difference.
Was this said before or after what Paul said about baptism in 1 Corinthians 1?
Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, [JESUS]‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’[/JESUS] - Acts 11:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts11:16&version=NKJV
turbosixx
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I'm not talking about VARIOUS baptisms. I'm taking about ONE particular baptism in the name of Jesus.
You have not "proved" to me what that passage means, just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Here is what proof looks like.
Jesus said make disciples by baptizing them in His name.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
We see the apostles baptize with water in the name of Jesus.
47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
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I totally agree!!!
Was there baptism "in the name of" Jesus before the thief died?
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