ECT The essential irrationality of Dispensationalism

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That's exactly what bugged Peter. But IP can't see that.

re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order. Ie, it corrected believers to what they were supposed to do. That's the regeneration Christ was talking about, when people would be born from above instead of physically as in Judaism.

Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth, was the order. With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet. And even capitulated (Gal 2).

 

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Philip never went to a gentile. Show us the scripture were you think that he did.

NT 101
Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order. Ie, it corrected believers to what they were supposed to do. That's the regeneration Christ was talking about, when people would be born from above instead of physically as in Judaism.

Judea, Samaria, the ends of the earth, was the order. With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet. And even capitulated (Gal 2).

Made up, Dr Phil.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

re STP's quote above your response to it. the new covenant had come (which you don't believe exists) and that's what changed the order.

:rotfl:

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

With the portable, transcultural, new covenant Gospel. But hard-headed, deep-traditioned people like Peter couldn't see it yet.

100% made up.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

First, you made up the part about the angel.

Secondly, when we talk to strangers about salvation, it is always 2 Cor 5:19-21 (KJV).

Thirdly, just because our "mission" is the gospel, this does not mean that God has cancelled the land promise.

Believe God, put down your commentaries.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.

Acts
11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

 

[steko]

NT 101
Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.

Peter makes it plain that gentiles first heard good news by his mouth, which shows that no believers before Cornelius were considered to be gentiles.

Act 15:7* And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.*

After the event at the house of Cornelius, the believing Jews then hear that the gentiles had at that time received the word of GOD:


Act 11:1* And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.*

Peter implies that he withstood GOD before the gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit which was evidence to him and the Jews with him that this new event with the gentiles was ordained by GOD.


Act 11:17* Forasmuch then as God gave them[gentiles] the like gift as he did unto [Jews], who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?*


The believing Jews who heard Peter's testimony then glorified GOD and affirm that GOD, at that point in time, had first given Gentiles repentance unto life:


Act 11:18* When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

 

[steko]

NT 101
Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

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The Ethiopian eunuch had been to Jerusalem to worship..... Pentecost, which means that he was either a Jew or a proselyte Jew.

Act 8:27* And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship


Act 2:5* And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Act 2:10* Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

 

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The Ethiopian eunuch had been to Jerusalem to worship..... Pentecost, which means that he was either a Jew or a proselyte Jew.

Act 8:27* And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship


Act 2:5* And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Act 2:10* Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

So what? Why send Philip down to that road? Philip still gave him the answer about Is 53 Judaism would not give, and that is what matters.

 

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Steko wrote:
Peter makes it plain that gentiles first heard good news by his mouth,


Did you ask STP, RD, Tam, Must if you had permission to say this out loud?

The progression you noticed is exactly the way the instructions were given: Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the ends of the earth...

 

[steko]

Steko wrote:
Peter makes it plain that gentiles first heard good news by his mouth,


Did you ask STP, RD, Tam, Must if you had permission to say this out loud?

The progression you noticed is exactly the way the instructions were given: Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the ends of the earth...

Nope!
Peter's going to Cornelius was out of order from the so-called great commission given by Christ to the twelve.
The commission to the twelve was that Jerusalem and the nation were to come into submission to Messiah then Messiah would return and the restored Israel would preach Messiah to the nations.

Instead, both Israel and the nations stood in rebellion against the LORD and His Christ, which should have brought forth GOD's wrath, but instead Christ from heaven saved Saul of Tarsus, and prepared Peter for Paul's ministry to the nations with the gospel of the grace of GOD when GOD instructed Peter to go to the house of Cornelius.... out of sequence.

 

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Nope!
Peter's going to Cornelius was out of order from the so-called great commission given by Christ to the twelve.
The commission to the twelve was that Jerusalem and the nation were to come into submission to Messiah then Messiah would return and the restored Israel would preach Messiah to the nations.

Instead, both Israel and the nations stood in rebellion against the LORD and His Christ, which should have brought forth GOD's wrath, but instead Christ from heaven saved Saul of Tarsus, and prepared Peter for Paul's ministry to the nations with the gospel of the grace of GOD when GOD instructed Peter to go to the house of Cornelius.... out of sequence.

Nice try, but it has nothing to it. where is the plain statement in Luke that everything was being done backwards? Not.

What was wrong was Peter's capitulation, Gal 2.

Why don't you try sticking to the Bible's own comment on itself instead of doing Chafer's work for him, helping him be worshiped for imagining two worlds, programs, peoples out there, where christ, God, the Bible are TWO. Hear Oh Israel the Lord Our God is Two!!!

How can going to Cornelius be a mistake when he didn't want to, and God sent him.

In the department of imaginary theology, I have also been told that I was not a Christian if I believed Peter ACTUALLY ATE that food in 10 and 11. It was "OK" to believe that he entered the house, but not ate.

Did your two theory happen to notice that some of the new believers began speaking to Greeks in 11:20. How wrong could they be! And the Lord was with them.

lol, the mission to the nations was out of order! What a circus!

 

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there never was going to be a restored Israel. Christ was already trying to tell them this back in Lk 24, when they were dejected but FOOLS. it's not what seems to be lurking in Acts 3. That was meant to be about the mission, the blessing the nations through the Seed was the mission, not a theocracy in Judea.

Stop pretending Chafer knew what he was talking about and immerse in the Bible.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Stop pretending Chafer knew what he was talking about and immerse in the Bible.

Says the one who constantly draws from commentaries on the Bible instead of just using the Bible to interpret itself.

Hypocrite.

 

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NT 101
Acts 8:4 Samaritans were considered Gentiles
8:24 Ethiopian. But I've heard that's actually up in Russia. Joking, RD, calm down. An angel of the Lord sent Philipp that direction. As was planned by the Great Commissioner.

Ever gone loaded with the Gospel and just walked and prayed until you found yourself in an 'appointment' where an angel set you up to talk with someone? You won't get there loading up on Israel's future theocracy! Only in the glory of God in the face of the suffering and raised Lord Jesus Christ.

8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.

The great fabricator, hard at work.

 

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8:4 THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SCATTERED PREACHED WHEREVER THEY WENT. What's this about "benching the 12"? You see the Bible is really confusing when not read, and when Chafer/Darby/Scofield is read.

Jas 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
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THESE were the scattered people that THEY were preaching to.

Acts 11:19 (AKJV/PCE)​

(11:19) ¶ Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.
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Believe your Bible for a change.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

there never was going to be a restored Israel. Christ was already trying to tell them this back in Lk 24, when they were dejected but FOOLS.

Made up, as usual.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

lol, the mission to the nations was out of order! What a circus!

Matthew 10:23 (KJV)

No Gentiles until the LORD returned. Believe your Bible.

Yet Peter was sent to Cornelius after Paul was saved. Think, McFly, think.
And put down your commentaries.

 

[steko]

So what? Why send Philip down to that road?

You'll have to wait and ask the Lord 'why', later.

Philip still gave him the answer about Is 53 Judaism would not give, and that is what matters.

Depends on how one defines 'Judaism'.

Some say that 'Biblical Judaism' is a Jewish understanding in harmony with Moses and the Prophets, which is Scripture.

This is in contrast with 'Rabbinic Judaism' which is not always in harmony with Scripture.

From this understanding, Phillip was teaching 'Biblical Judaism' which is Scripture and is the truth of Is 53.