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Read the Bible.... SOME OF THEM.... the ones that were preaching to THE JEWS ONLY.... also preached to Greek speaking JEWS.
I have no problem with it, but that's NOT what the scripture is saying.
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So why then was the Apostle of the Gentiles sent for?
The sense of things that is that those who had been scattered way back in Acts 8, had preached to Jews only.
Luke is merely establishing the prior commission had gotten that far.
He then goes into what those preached to during said prior commission, did after the events of Acts 10 and the earlier part of Acts 11.
How that, after the events of Acts 10 the earlier part of Acts 11's account that God had granted repentance unto the Gentiles also; the Greek speaking Jews who had been evangelized by those from Acts 8's scattering, now turned around and spoke to Greeks - this is the sense of the use of the word Grecians in that instance there.
This was why Paul - the Apostle of the Gentiles - was sent for...
Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 11:19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 11:20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the LORD Jesus. 11:21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. 11:22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. 11:23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord. 11:24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. 11:25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
And there is other support for this...
https://www.studylight.org/commentary/acts/11-20.html
Nevertheless, Romans 5:8.
Some more on who these "Grecians" were, there, in Acts 11...
Paul and Barnabas return to Antioch after one of their trips...
Acts 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles. 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
Because Romans 5:8.
And because Mid-Acts - true Mid-Acts - is consistent.
Paul and Barnabas return to Antioch after one of their trips...
Acts 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles. 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.
Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
Because Romans 5:8.
And because Mid-Acts - true Mid-Acts - is consistent.
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You are wrong. The most woodenly literal trans out there is the NASB. The contrast of audiences is quite clear. Others put in However. You have stupidly found English you like and not at least been 50/50 upon finding English you did not like.
'alla' and 'de' are the contrastive connectors. If you want to continue a thought you put 'kai.' It's 'de' but it is not 'de' because of the change of audience. It is the change of speaker. The whole point is they 'got' the message of the Gospel and being non-Jews, they wanted to tell others.
You are a nightmare of misunderstanding.
If you have no problem with the Gentiles being reached, what in the world is the problem for it to start in these provinces and islands that are gentile?
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The irony is thickening.
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You have a definite agenda which is to prove that your commentaries are the truth, and the Bible is not.
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I have never seen people who took a beautiful story and squashed it and broke its neck like you guys. And what for? What are you after? What are you about, because is sure as hell is not the normal meaning of the text.
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Made up. Why are you interested in pretty stories, as opposed to Bible facts?
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Thick irony...
Gal 3:17 is not replacement theology.
The very verse itself says that the law did not replace the promise.
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Yep - an aspect of Paul's very point in Gal. 2 and 3, just as in Romans 3 and 4.
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Rom. 5:8
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lol, Tam let's try to get up to speed!
1, most of the NT speaks to the situation the apostles found themselves in, dealing with inter-testament, 1st century Judaism. Paul grew up as a leader in it and was apprehended by God, thank God.
2, the whole reason why Gal 3:17 is expressed is to speak to that situation. Those are the replacments he is talking about. and the 'by whom'. The Judaism he grew up in had replaced the Promise with the Law.
3, but we must understand, the promise is not about the land. The land is nowhere in the NT as a benefit to anyone. The promise is the Spirit of God through those who believe to get out the message of the Gospel. We see this in v2 and 14. We see this in Acts 2:33 in the middle of describing Christ's enthronement. Because we are dealing with a 'kingdom' (reign) that is 'not by might nor power, but by His Spirit.'
4, a land/kingdom promise is like an FM jamming signal, creating confusion, vacuum, and interference with the NT.
5, the Spirit and the mission (that's why he works) is also the inheritance. This is why v17 seamlessly goes right into the inheritance in v18.
6, the law also had a infancy or minority or childishness to it. Only in the age of maturity in Christ could the Spirit work, 4:6. Because we are no longer 'as slaves' but 'as sons with full rights' v5, and sons are heirs, v7.
None of this is known in the least in D'ism in my experience with them, because Galatians is almost nowhere in the thinkinig of D'ism, with its Seed, meaning Christ, not seeds meaning many people.
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Gal 3:17 is not replacement theology. It is about Judaism as RT, the one we should be concerned with. The modern one is totally irrelevant.
'the verse even says the law did not replace the promise.' Exactly, but the promise was not what Judaism thought it was. It was also not what the disciples as late as Acts 1 thought.
1st century Judaism had an enormous problems of thinking that the 'redemption of Israel' would mean somehow replacing the situation under Rome. The problem is plural because for the upper classes, they wanted this but would never confront Rome. The Galileans and others however wanted this and believed in a whole end of the world eschatology in which they were to fight and have God's help fighting Rome doing so.
Obviously Paul's solution undercut the desire for a kingdom. Christ's was not the kind this world operates, Lk 17:20, 18:29, 22:16, 25, 26, 29, 37.
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Lifted from a commentary, humanism, unbelief.
"1st century Judaism had..."
That right there is his..."reading into" a thing; his most basic...error.
His obvious OVER reliance on that.
Which is different from relying on history and or commentaries - which are often useful - when properly relied on...