andyc
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So how can only a kingdom that is unmade remain if it is newly made?
You ought to start thinking this through better outside of the hyer disp box.
ECT The core of the argument between Christians and MAD.
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So how can only a kingdom that is unmade remain if it is newly made?
You ought to start thinking this through better outside of the hyer disp box.
andyc
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In the spirit realm. Do you see them?
IMJerusha
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That does not delineate Yeshua's teaching on earth from His teaching to Paul but rather the Old Covenant from the New in Yeshua as he points out in verse 21,"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
It's important to understand that Paul went out of his way in his letters to the Corinthians to put an end to divisive attitudes in their congregation. 1 Corinthians 1:11-13 "My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, 'I follow Paul'; another, 'I follow Apollos'; another, 'I follow Cephas'; still another, 'I follow Christ.' Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul?" We can't ignore Paul's words here. Yeshua is not divided in any way, shape or form and neither is His Body.
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Nang
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You are suggesting some kind of hierarchy amongst "the assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven" that does not include Jews.
Not biblical . . .
So true.
Sure do.
But the typology is also literal.
Both Israel and Jesus are literal.
They are not one and the same.
That is the last verse of chapter 20.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
You have not figured out how Abraham inherits the land while seated with Christ in his Kingdom.
None.
because Israel is a nation of Christians (Christ IN) now scattered, soon to be gathered by the Lord.
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Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Nang
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They are literally distinct temporally, but prophetically and eternally, "Israel," "the Child," and the "Son of God" (Jesus Christ) are declared to be the same beloved of God, according to Matthew 2:15/Hosea 11:1
II Corinthians 4:17-18
IMJerusha
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That doesn't mean that Yeshua didn't know about the details of the Covenant before He came to earth. Scripture doesn't imply any limitations on Yeshua's knowledge but for the last day. Matthew 24:36
And while we're in the 24th chapter of Matthew, pay attention to the 14th verse wherein Yeshua calls the Gospel the Gospel of the Kingdom. He doesn't state there will be another mysterious gospel revelation after His death and resurrection. He did warn, however, of deceptions to come and this is what we must all be on guard about. So, I commend you for believing God's Word so long as you do and not man's interpretations of God's Word and caveats to God's intents and purposes.
Nang
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Has anyone bothered to read the fine article linked by Cedarbay, here?
IMJerusha
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Limiting. The age Paul was in began with God's implementation of the New Covenant in His Son before Yeshua ever came to earth and honestly, even that is limiting on my part.
Agreed. John 15:3 It had all been explained to them.
The land is OT type of Gods Kingdom on earth.
Abraham is the father of many nations and inherits the whole earth.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
and as Andy has pointed out the temple/ sanctuary in their midst is Jesus Christ himself.
The problem seems to be in understanding that the Kingdom is localized at the beginning of the return of Christ and extends out through---
Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Eze 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Eze 47:2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Eze 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
Eze 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
Eze 47:11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
Eze 47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
but yes, there are favoured mortals who are gathered to the Kingdom of Israel, but you will discover they are the new children of the Bride, the great multitude of Rev.ch 7 Isaiah ch 49.
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IMJerusha
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Rather than slap me around via the rep system, Nick, show me where Scripture implies limitation of Yeshua's knowledge or show me how doctrine that Scripture may indicate in one way but refute in another is correct doctrine.
IMJerusha
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And the same goes for this post, Nick. I don't see anything here that requires repentance for. Why would I need to repent for accepting that God is all powerful beyond our imaginings and that He gave all authority in heaven and earth to Yeshua? Why would I need to repent for believing Yeshua's words?
This settles all arguments about that--
Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Zep 3:11 In that day shalt thou not be ashamed for all thy doings, wherein thou hast transgressed against me: for then I will take away out of the midst of thee them that rejoice in thy pride, and thou shalt no more be haughty because of my holy mountain.
Zep 3:12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD.
Zep 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
Zep 3:14 Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem.
Zep 3:15 The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more.
Zep 3:16 In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.
Zep 3:17 The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing.
Zep 3:18 I will gather them that are sorrowful for the solemn assembly, who are of thee, to whom the reproach of it was a burden.
Zep 3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.
Zep 3:20 At that time will I bring you again, even in the time that I gather you: for I will make you a name and a praise among all people of the earth, when I turn back your captivity before your eyes, saith the LORD.
Regardless of who one claims Israel is, A mill. is proven wrong.
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