HisServant
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I don't see yours either... so we are at a dead lock.
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I don't see yours either... so we are at a dead lock.
it is in the bible for everyone to see -
it is just your interpretation that prevents understanding it -
HisServant
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No.. the brainwashing you have received as a Romanist has put you into a state of cognitive dissonance where logic and reason no longer apply.
1+1 does not equal 3.. in spite of your insistence that it does.
Jesus built His church on a rock -
it is right there in your bible which the church gave to you
HisServant
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That rock is the confession that Jesus is the son of God.. the Messiah!
And no, the RCC did not give us the Bible... the Holy Spirit did..
Quit taking glory away from God!
that is your interpretation which ignores the fact that Jesus changed simon's name to peter which means rock
HisServant
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He did, but that is irrelevant in this case.
If he had given him a title, you might have a point, but he didn't. Basically, Jesus gave him a prize for being first.
HisServant
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Actually, if you study Hebrew and Aramaic and the customs of the time, it isn't reasonable at all... its actually quite foolish.
But then again, Rome never cared about accuracy if it inpuned any of its power.
I swear, the pope is like the hypno-toad to you guys.
DavidK
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Which parts don't seem accurate?
Do you find the Bible to differentiate between elders, bishops, and pastors?
Do you see it ranking them in a hierarchy?
What do you make of Jesus telling us not to call people father, teacher, or master, and that leaders in the Church should be an example to the flock, not exercise dominion or authority over them?
Can you help me with scripture that says the keys given to Peter were to be handed down in succession from one person the next?
As to your question, "Who would determine that?", the answer is the Church. Even in the first century there were false teachers who gathered flocks about them. The elders were to guard against such and make sure they were not allowed in the fellowship of believers. To the world outside the Church, this would, of course, make it seem like there are many Christian churches. But the Shepherd knows His flock, and they know Him. It's up to believers to discern by the Spirit which fellowship is truly in Christ, and up to the Spirit to mark them with grace and power. Wisdom, is justified by her children, and the tares are allowed to grow alongside the wheat until the harvest time.
I am aware that church councils have fixed certain beliefs. I am not a scholar of church history, but it is my impression that councils often "fixed" or ratified certain beliefs that were already largely consensual in the body of Christ, sometimes in response to a heresy that was working through parts of the church.
you don't need scripture for that if you have common sense
HisServant
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Common sense indicates that you do not go beyond what is written in scripture... and you have faith that the Holy Spirit revealed all we need to know.. And resist building castles in the sand, like the RCC.
FYI, for someone who touts common sense.. you seem to lack any whatsoever.
what do you call your father?
HisServant
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Irrevalent....
Many disciples of different sects back than called their leader father... we are not to call our leaders father either.
Yet you call your leader father... why is that?
Why, because the leader of Mithrasim was called Papa.. father.
/drops the mike
the church teaches us what is important in the bible -
that way we don't worry about who we call father
HisServant
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Apparently most of it isn't important.
Why do you even bother trying to call yourselves Christians? Since you certainly don't follow Christ or the original Apostles.
the church teaches love of neighbor -
so why are you so worried about who we call father -
do you have any discernment at all?
Cruciform
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Just another categorically false statement by HS. :yawn:
Cruciform
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Because that's how the apostles referred to themselves during the Apostolic Church Period, and because the term "father" is used throughout the Bible---in both Old and New Testaments---to refer to the human leaders of God's people. Guess you'll have to throw out the Bible as a "pagan source." (Or perhaps you're just plain wrong. :up
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