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Please.... ALWAYS quote the scripture that you're referring to in EACH of these cases, so that we can intelligently discuss what the scripture says.
ECT The Broken Record of MAD
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Romans 4 begs to differ. Were all the seed of Abraham, whether we are of the Law [circumcision] or of faith [uncircumcision].
Is this supposed t be English?
The Body of Christ does not reject Christ.
Did anyone else ever say that?
And?
In the context of the NT those of faithful Abraham are reckoned by faith, no longer by lineage.
In Galatians 3:29 NET Paul said, "And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to the promise."
If you belong to the King of Israel then you are part of Israel.
You have your opinion and Paul has his opinion.
Of course not, we are flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone.
In Ephesians 5:30 Paul explains, "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones."
We are the personification of Christ on earth today.
"This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church." (Ephesians 5:32)
You're beginning to sound like TeT.
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That is a fabrication of many in churchianity.
You do know that Israel was Abraham's grandson, right? And NOT his only grandson, right?
You do know that Paul explained that Isaac is the son of Promise, not Ishmael. Isaac's son Jacob became the nation of Israel of which Jesus was born into to become its King. If we are of Christ then we are of Israel ... by faith, not by blood.
You do know that Israel was Abraham's grandson, right? And NOT his only grandson, right?
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We don't need to be "Israel" to be in the promise by faith.
dodge
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Why do you purposely confuse yourself ?
The promise of faith places those with faith in ISRAEL.The promise was to Abraham. As Paul said circumcision is not of the flesh but of the heart,
Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Gal 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
In Galatians 3:8-9 NET Paul instructed the congregation by saying, "The scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the gospel to Abraham ahead of time, saying, 'All the nations will be blessed in you.'
"So then those who believe are blessed along with Abraham the believer."
The only salvation for Gentiles is by the Father's covenant with Abraham and Christ which says, "All the nations will be blessed in you."
The phrase "all nations" includes all nations.
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THAT covenant is NEITHER the old covenant NOR the new covenant.
There are several covenants in the scripture.
dodge
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I may be wrong but I do not believe Madist believe there is a new covenant as per the New testament.
May be?
You ARE wrong.
I think they do, but the problem is they have taken bits and pieces from Paul's letters and made them into their doctrine while ignoring other teachings of Paul.
They also conflate Jesus' teaching to the Jews of his day with Jesus' teachings after his resurrection as if there is no difference.
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Both between God and Israel. :thumb:
dodge
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You caught that also.
They for some reason confuse themselves on what scripture actually teaches.
I was told by at least one Madist that the Gospel; of grace is NOT a covenant.
"And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to the promise." (Galatians 3:29 NET)
Romans 4:16 NET For this reason it is by faith so that it may be by grace, with the result that the promise may be certain to all the descendants - not only to those who are under the law, but also to those who have the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.
Tattooed Theist
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Amen sister.