We are in the dispensation of grace which began in Acts 9.
Theology Club: The Beginning of the Present Dispensation Was at Acts 13
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Jerry Shugart
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What evidence can you give that the dispensation of grace began at Acts 9?
When was Paul saved? That is the beginning of the age of grace.
whitestone
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LOL,ah-haah,now we are all from the tribe of Issachar 1 Chronicles 12:32 KJV ,,,we think we can discern the times. We cant in Luke 12:56 KJV ,,we cant in Acts 1:7 KJV ,,,,were-in after this are we given to know it?,,,rotfl,,,,,
Hi , and if you believe that Paul was saved , then when was he saved IF not in Acts 9:6 ?
How was PAUL SAVED or are you a LIGHT BELIEVER ?
Paul has to be SAVED , so that Christ can teach Paul the Gospel of the Grace of God , don't you see !!
How was Paul SAVED ??
DAN P
Jerry Shugart
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There is no mention of a synagogue in the verses which you quoted.
Do you really believe that practically the whole city of Antioch in Pisidia were Gentiles who worshipped in the synagogues? If you do then you will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous!
The words were addressed to the "children of the stock of Abraham," and that means that the gospel which he was preaching was the one which was preached to the circumcision. Not to the uncircumcision.
Jerry Shugart
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A dispensation is a "stewardship" and the different dispensations are not speaking of how anyone is saved. For instance,in an earlier dispensation Abraham was saved by grace;
for instance, Peter was saved before the present dispensation began, but he was saved on the principle of "grace":
"We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are" (Acts 15:11).
Jerry Shugart
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The Bible will be searched in vain for the words "age of grace" for one simple reason. Throughout history men have been saved in only one way--by grace through faith."
Acts 9:6 thru Philemon, lol
Jerry Shugart
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Why do you refuse to quote any verses from Acts and those epistles?
Isn't it because you cannot find even one which proves that the present dispensation began at Acts 9?
Why else would you not quote any verses?
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Because when I deal with you, it is only to check you in your browbeating of others.
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Jerry Shugart
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You mistake browbeating for what I am doing in regard to those in the Neo-MAD camp:
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Tim.4:2-4).
You and those in the Neo-MAD community put more faith in what those with itching ears teach than you do in what the scriptures actually say.
For example, the Lord Jesus told the following to the Jews who lived under the law:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5:24).
The Lord and Savior made it plain that "faith" was the only thing necessary for these Jews to be saved.
But your ideas directly contradict what the Lord Jesus said there because you say that they couldn't be saved unless they believed and were baptized with water.
You prove over and over that you have no use for what is revealed in the Bible if that revelation proves that your ideas are in error. Your final authority is not the Bible but instead the teaching which comes from those within the Neo-MAD community.
heir
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SaulToPaul said to read it. IOW, open your Bible and read it.
Apparently, JS's time cannot be wasted by reading what the Bible actually says.
JS~
You shouldn’t be so lazy about studying your Bible. It’s right there in the text!
Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Consulting the text instead of your favorite commentary would aid you greatly in 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV.
There's an "and" there!
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
Jerry Shugart
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You are so confused that you are describing the wrong day! It was the next sabbath day when Paul began to preach to the Gentiles and there is not any mention of a synagogue on that sabbath day:
"And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles" (Acts 13:44-46).
If you think that practically all the Gentiles in the city of Antioch of Pisidia wordshipped in the synagogues of the Jews then you are delusional. Is that really what you believe?
It is you who needs to actually read and believe what is written in the Bible!
So? Are you denying that Paul was preaching a gospel intended for the circumcision, specifically the children of the stock of Abraham?
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heir
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What was Paul's manner? IOW, where would you find Paul on a sabbath day? THINK JS, THINK!
Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Jerry Shugart
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That might be where the Gentiles would expect to find Paul on a sabbath day.
But that does not mean that practically the whole city of Antioch in Pisidia worshipped in the synagogues of the Jews.
Are you willing to argue that they did?
So? Are you denying that Paul was preaching a gospel intended for the circumcision, specifically the children of the stock of Abraham?
way 2 go
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according to Jerry's befuddled theology
there is one dispensations so him claiming acts 13
is crazy because he does not believe that
Abraham was saved by faith and circumcision, no mention of grace
Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.
Jerry Shugart
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That is not true.
No, Paul does mention grace when he speaks of Abraham:
"What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt" (Ro.4:1-4).
way 2 go
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you only have one dispensation.
i noticed you didn't show us more than one of your dispensations
and there differences
actually he quotes Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness. no grace mentioned,no law either
Paul says "Now to him" that is not about Abraham
that would be Christians
"What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt" (Ro.4:1-4).
heir
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When the KJB says that on the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God in Acts 13, I believe it. Apparently you don't. And therein lies your problem.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Why did you leave that fact out? Why did you leave the "and whoseover among you feareth God" out? Some of us know they were Gentiles (more specifically called Greeks and the Gentiles of whom Paul was first sent). Paul was sent to Jews and Greeks all throughout his Acts ministry. Why, you haven't a clue.