The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Dear beloved57: I realize you are on Tapetalk. I am prepared to wait for you on this link when you can gather your thoughts together for further discussion.
beloved57
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you will be waiting a long time since you refuse to discuss my points and want to deviate to talk about Rom 5. This thread isnt about discussing Rom 5 so i see you later !
beloved57
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No i don't desire responing to the whole context but to exactly what the op points stated. If you dont desire to do that then we will not proceed further. When you join my discussion please discuss the points i made.
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Dear beloved57: I am so sorry you feel this way. I, on the other hand, delight at every opportunity to speak of the Father who I love beyond words! Romans 5 is one of my favorite expressions from Above. In fact,
the entire revelation of Romans is central to my "orthodoxy".
The Atonement: What did it really accomplish?
#1. At one ment
#2. "Helpless ungodly" welcomed Home to Abba..
#3. The helpless sinners were not good and loveable.
#4. Helpless sinners proclaimed free from guilt through the blood of the Lamb.
#5. God's free "gift" outweighs all transgression.
# 6. The reconciliation is "now."
#7. The comparison? There is no comparison.
#8. The "free gift outweighs" the transgression.
#9. The free gift "immeasurably" outweighs the transgression.
#10. The "mass" of mankind "constituted sinners" the "mass of mankind "constituted righteous".
#11. Polus= polus. The mass made sinners= the mass made righteous.
#12. Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins, AKA the "especially"/ the "elect".
#13. Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the "helpless sinners."
#14. The result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race.
#15.The result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
Romans 5
"For already, while we were still helpless, Christ at the right moment died for the ungodly.
7
Why, it is scarcely conceivable that any one would die for a simply just man, although for a good and lovable man perhaps some one, here and there, will have the courage even to lay down his life.
8
But God gives proof of His love to us in Christ's dying for us while we were still sinners.
9
If therefore we have now been pronounced free from guilt through His blood, much more shall we be delivered from God's anger through Him.
10
For if while we were hostile to God we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, it is still more certain that now that we are reconciled, we shall obtain salvation through Christ's life.
11
And not only so, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now obtained that reconciliation.
12
What follows? This comparison. Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn, in that all sinned.
13
For prior to the Law sin was already in the world; only it is not entered in the account against us when no Law exists.
14
Yet Death reigned as king from Adam to Moses even over those who had not sinned, as Adam did, against Law. And in Adam we have a type of Him whose coming was still future.
15
But God's free gift immeasurably outweighs the transgression. For if through the transgression of the one individual the mass of mankind have died, infinitely greater is the generosity with which God's grace, and the gift given in His grace which found expression in the one man Jesus Christ, have been bestowed on the mass of mankind.
16
And it is not with the gift as it was with the results of one individual's sin; for the judgement which one individual provoked resulted in condemnation, whereas the free gift after a multitude of transgressions results in acquittal.
17
For if, through the transgression of the one individual, Death made use of the one individual to seize the sovereignty, all the more shall those who receive God's overflowing grace and gift of righteousness reign as kings in Life through the one individual, Jesus Christ.
18
It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
19
For as through the disobedience of the one individual the mass of mankind were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous."
Romans Chapter 5 - Weymouth New Testament
The mass = polus
The mass of mankind are "made sinners."
The mass of mankind are "made righteous."
The equation is equal on each side
the entire revelation of Romans is central to my "orthodoxy".
The Atonement: What did it really accomplish?
#1. At one ment
#2. "Helpless ungodly" welcomed Home to Abba..
#3. The helpless sinners were not good and loveable.
#4. Helpless sinners proclaimed free from guilt through the blood of the Lamb.
#5. God's free "gift" outweighs all transgression.
# 6. The reconciliation is "now."
#7. The comparison? There is no comparison.
#8. The "free gift outweighs" the transgression.
#9. The free gift "immeasurably" outweighs the transgression.
#10. The "mass" of mankind "constituted sinners" the "mass of mankind "constituted righteous".
#11. Polus= polus. The mass made sinners= the mass made righteous.
#12. Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins, AKA the "especially"/ the "elect".
#13. Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the "helpless sinners."
#14. The result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race.
#15.The result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
Romans 5
"For already, while we were still helpless, Christ at the right moment died for the ungodly.
7
Why, it is scarcely conceivable that any one would die for a simply just man, although for a good and lovable man perhaps some one, here and there, will have the courage even to lay down his life.
8
But God gives proof of His love to us in Christ's dying for us while we were still sinners.
9
If therefore we have now been pronounced free from guilt through His blood, much more shall we be delivered from God's anger through Him.
10
For if while we were hostile to God we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, it is still more certain that now that we are reconciled, we shall obtain salvation through Christ's life.
11
And not only so, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now obtained that reconciliation.
12
What follows? This comparison. Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn, in that all sinned.
13
For prior to the Law sin was already in the world; only it is not entered in the account against us when no Law exists.
14
Yet Death reigned as king from Adam to Moses even over those who had not sinned, as Adam did, against Law. And in Adam we have a type of Him whose coming was still future.
15
But God's free gift immeasurably outweighs the transgression. For if through the transgression of the one individual the mass of mankind have died, infinitely greater is the generosity with which God's grace, and the gift given in His grace which found expression in the one man Jesus Christ, have been bestowed on the mass of mankind.
16
And it is not with the gift as it was with the results of one individual's sin; for the judgement which one individual provoked resulted in condemnation, whereas the free gift after a multitude of transgressions results in acquittal.
17
For if, through the transgression of the one individual, Death made use of the one individual to seize the sovereignty, all the more shall those who receive God's overflowing grace and gift of righteousness reign as kings in Life through the one individual, Jesus Christ.
18
It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
19
For as through the disobedience of the one individual the mass of mankind were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous."
Romans Chapter 5 - Weymouth New Testament
The mass = polus
The mass of mankind are "made sinners."
The mass of mankind are "made righteous."
The equation is equal on each side
Okay beloved57: You have had long enough; FineLinen will help you with your homework!
Search= "Limited"
Your search has yielded 1 (ONE) Scripture>>>>>>>>
"YOU"
"have limited the Holy One of Israel."
beloved57
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You are just spamming up this thread, I have no use for it.
Dear beloved57: the quality of this thread will withstand any attempt to spam it etc. You are truly a remarkable individual whose work stands distinct!
Nanja
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Amen, and TY for your very edifying words !
God's Elect, even while being His enemies Rom. 5:10 were already reconciled to Him in their Surety Head Heb. 7:22 and Saviour Christ Jesus from Everlasting, and therefore even then, were secured peace with God Col. 1:20.
Heb. 13:20-21
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Rom. 5:1
Therefore being justified, by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
So Faith we receive in New Birth Gal. 5:22 is the proof of one's Justification before God.
And with regard to Rom. 10:15, it was You Brother that [many years ago] God sent to preach to me this Gospel of Peace ! ☺
His gospel of peace (& yours) is badly flawed!
Your god has a serious problem! He continues day after day, year after year, age after age allowing a system of ultimate despair (except for the elite elect of course}!
http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/How-Many-Babies-Are-Born-Each-Day
Many of these babies (born today) will die under the age of 5. How many today & every day worldwide= 15K.
Thank goodness for the escape clause of the "age of accountability" rule!
Wake up beloved57, wake up Nanja: wake up!
Nanja
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You speak nonsense !
Why ? Because you're lost, the Gospel is hid from you !
2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Eph. 4:18
Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
2 Tim. 1:8-10
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Dear Nanja: Your "gospel" & the creator of this threads "gospel" is hidden from me! I behold the One who proclaims joy which is to ALL people. You behold the vast masses of broken wrecks hopeless (unless they are the "elect"). You behold unending despair for ever and ever and ever for the masses of Adam1: I behold the Last Adam making the same polus "made sinners", "made righteous". Yes, Nanja, I am lost in the wonder of His mighty Plan in the Son of His love, the Master Jesus Christ the Lord!
Nanja
Well-known member
Rom. 9:20-23
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Prov. 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dear Nanja: Good morning to you. Why have you avoided the question?
The Answer=
To render i.e to fit, sound, complete.
To mend (what has been broken or rent) to repair.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
To complete.
Tto fit out, equip, put in order, arrange, adjust.
To fit or frame for one's self.
To prepare for one's self.
To strengthen, perfect, complete, make one what he ought to be.
To make one what he aught to be
Could it be possible the hilasmos of the holos will actually make the broken wrecks of Adam1 what they aught to be?
YES>>>>>>>YES>>>>>>>YES!
Nanja
Well-known member
TY Brother for blessing me with this excellent 3 part study entitled:
Did Christ's Death Succeed it's Purpose ?
Yes Indeed !
Heb. 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
And as you have previously pointed out to me, that word purge in Heb. 9:14 is the same Greek word, katharizō for the word purify in Titus 2:14.
Dear Nanja: there may be hope for you! And the meaning of katharizō is?