The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

Nanja

Nanja

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Epoisses said:
You're evil and twisted with your false God who curses sinners. Jesus saved all sinners and his sheep believe it.
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Wrong. According to the scriptures, Jesus did not save these:


For there are those who were already condemned John 3:18, 36.

Those who were ordained to condemnation Jude 1:4

The goats which were cursed from everlasting Mat 25:41

Those who were prepared for destruction Rom. 9:22

Those who go into the second death Rev. 21:8

The wicked God made for the day of evil Prov. 16:4
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Nanja

Nanja

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Epoisses said:
He did save them, they just didn't believe it.
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Incorrect.

Salvation is not by anything a person does or does not do Eph. 2:9.

It is God who Willed their condemnation.

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?



Christ Jesus only Saved His Sheep John 10:11,15, or Elect 1 Pet. 1:2 which were chosen in union with Him from Everlasting 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 1:4-5!
 
Epoisses

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Nanja said:
Incorrect.

Salvation is not by anything a person does or does not do Eph. 2:9.

It is God who Willed their condemnation.

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?



Christ Jesus only Saved His Sheep John 10:11,15, or Elect 1 Pet. 1:2 which were chosen in union with Him from Everlasting 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 1:4-5!
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Jesus is the savior of the world 1Tim. 2:6 1Tim. 4:10 1John 2:2 Heb. 2:9
 
Nanja

Nanja

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Epoisses said:
Jesus is the savior of the world 1Tim. 2:6 1John 2:2 Heb. 2:9
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1 Tim. 2:6: All of the Many.

Mat. 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.


1 John 2:2: This is a World of individuals, jew and Gentile, for whom God's Wrath has been propitiated.


Heb. 2:9
Christ tasted death for every one of His Sheep John 10:11,15.

The word "man" was added by the translators, so according to the text, He tasted death for "pas" which can mean some of all types. Thus all Sheep, or all Elect, whether jew or gentile.


When studying the scriptures we come to Truth by comparing scripture with scripture:

1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Nanja said:
1 Tim. 2:6: All of the Many.

Mat. 20:28
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.


1 John 2:2: This is a World of individuals, jew and Gentile, for whom God's Wrath has been propitiated.


Heb. 2:9
Christ tasted death for every one of His Sheep John 10:11,15.

The word "man" was added by the translators, so according to the text, He tasted death for "pas" which can mean some of all types. Thus all Sheep, or all Elect, whether jew or gentile.


When studying the scriptures we come to Truth by comparing scripture with scripture:

1 Cor. 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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Very good, you have judged rightly !
 
beloved57

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It purges the conscience from dead works to serve the Living God !

Folks this is the result , effect of Christ shedding His Blood! This verse condemns all false religions and Gospels that don't acknowledge the Saving Converting results of Christ Death/Blood alone Heb 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
 
Epoisses

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Christ's blood atoned for the sins of the whole world. The sheep of Christ believe it and the goats of Satan spam bible verses to the contrary.
 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
It purges the conscience from dead works to serve the Living God !

Folks this is the result , effect of Christ shedding His Blood! This verse condemns all false religions and Gospels that don't acknowledge the Saving Converting results of Christ Death/Blood alone Heb 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
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Absolutely!

There's Power in the shed Blood of Christ to accomplish exactly what His Word declares in Heb. 9:14.

No one Christ died for could ever wind up in hell.
 
beloved57

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It makes men free indeed !

Jn 8:36

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus here is speaking here of the effects, consequences of His Death, and it alone, and nothing of what a man does, but men are passive and strictly recipients of His action of making them free. This Truth is denied in false religion today, the antichrist gospels !

The Son here is Jesus Christ Himself, the Son of God, yeah even God the Son, the Word of God Jn 1:1. The word make denotes Christ's Sovereignty, His Power, and therewith He makes men free.

The words "shall make you free" eleuthero does mean:


  1. to make free
  2. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin

    Christ makes those He died for free from the dominion of sin, or unbelief. By nature men as sinners are under the power, dominion of sin and unbelief, we are sold under sin by nature Rom 7:14

    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Sold under the control, dominion of sin, under the authority of it.

    Remember the Elect Vessels of Mercy were given to be under the control, prison of unbelief Rom 11:32

    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    What does it mean to be concluded "by God" in unbelief ? It means to be under the power, prison, control of unbelief, this is the case of all men by nature, elect and non elect !

    The word concluded sugkleió means to make subject to, by nature God has made all men subject to unbelief,

    being under domination, control, or influence of unbelief ! Now this is what the Son receives credit for, in making them free from it, for whom He died !


 
Nanja

Nanja

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beloved57 said:
It makes men free indeed !

Jn 8:36

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jesus here is speaking here of the effects, consequences of His Death, and it alone, and nothing of what a man does, but men are passive and strictly recipients of His action of making them free. This Truth is denied in false religion today, the antichrist gospels !

The Son here is Jesus Christ Himself, the Son of God, yeah even God the Son, the Word of God Jn 1:1. The word make denotes Christ's Sovereignty, His Power, and therewith He makes men free.

The words "shall make you free" eleuthero does mean:


  1. to make free
  2. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin

    Christ makes those He died for free from the dominion of sin, or unbelief. By nature men as sinners are under the power, dominion of sin and unbelief, we are sold under sin by nature Rom 7:14

    For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Sold under the control, dominion of sin, under the authority of it.

    Remember the Elect Vessels of Mercy were given to be under the control, prison of unbelief Rom 11:32

    For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

    What does it mean to be concluded "by God" in unbelief ? It means to be under the power, prison, control of unbelief, this is the case of all men by nature, elect and non elect !

    The word concluded sugkleió means to make subject to, by nature God has made all men subject to unbelief,

    being under domination, control, or influence of unbelief ! Now this is what the Son receives credit for, in making them free from it, for whom He died !
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It's true that all men by nature are imprisoned in unbelief, or disobedience.

But for the Vessels of Mercy, the Body of Christ Eph. 1:4, He has defeated death for them and makes them free from the power of sin and unbelief by His Covenant Death for them Rom. 5:19b; 5:9.

Is. 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

So then as evidence of their being made free by their Covenant Head's Death for them, the Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23, the remnant according to the Election of Grace Rom. 11:5, His Mercy results in Him quickening them, being Born of the Spirit, and then coming to Believe on Him Gal. 5:22, because Christ met all the conditions for each one, satisfying God's Law and Justice on their behalf!
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Nanja said:
It's true that all men by nature are imprisoned in unbelief, or disobedience.

But for the Vessels of Mercy, the Body of Christ Eph. 1:4, He has defeated death for them and makes them free from the power of sin and unbelief by His Covenant Death for them Rom. 5:19b; 5:9.

Is. 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

So then as evidence of their being made free by their Covenant Head's Death for them, the Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23, the remnant according to the Election of Grace Rom. 11:5, His Mercy results in Him quickening them, being Born of the Spirit, and then coming to Believe on Him Gal. 5:22, because Christ met all the conditions for each one, satisfying God's Law and Justice on their behalf!
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Amen, God has blessed your understanding!

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