The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[Nanja]

No Condemnation !

Its an contradiction to say that any for whom Christ died are already condemned as Per Jn 3:18

18 [FONT=&]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The reason why is simple according to Gospel principles, because condemnation and sin are conjoined, so in order for one to be condemned, their sins must be still charged upon them, and that cannot be the case with people Christ died for since their sins had been charged to Him, thats why He died 1 Cor 15:3. So its a great contradiction to say Christ died for ones sins, and they still be condemned, even if they are in unbelief, which is one of the sins Christ died for ![/FONT]

Amen! Because the Elect of God were chosen in union with Christ before the foundation to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7, they could never be condemned. Their sins were charged to Him and His Righteousness charged to them 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 4:8; death was abolished for them 2 Tim. 1:10, and that's why they shall believe on Him, because Faith or Belief in Christ is a Fruit or effect of the Spirit Gal. 5:22.

Rom. 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


But those who who were condemned already, that's why they shall not believe on Him Rom. 8:8: Their sins were never charged to Christ because they never had a Legal Union with Him. So they must bear their own sins; and the wages of sin is Death Rom. 6:23.

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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[beloved57]

Amen! Because the Elect of God were chosen in union with Christ before the foundation to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7, they could never be condemned. Their sins were charged to Him and His Righteousness charged to them 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 4:8; death was abolished for them 2 Tim. 1:10, and that's why they shall believe on Him, because Faith or Belief in Christ is a Fruit or effect of the Spirit Gal. 5:22.

Rom. 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


But those who who were condemned already, that's why they shall not believe on Him Rom. 8:8: Their sins were never charged to Christ because they never had a Legal Union with Him. So they must bear their own sins; and the wages of sin is Death Rom. 6:23.

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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Amen Sister !

 

[beloved57]

No Condemnation !2

Those Christ died for cannot possibly be under condemnation while unbelievers, because as unbelievers /enemies, by His death they were reconciled to God Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

That reconciliation cannot have taken place if we are under Gods condemnation as some are Jn 3:18

¹⁸ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Thats not applicable to unbelievers which Christ died for, no way !

 

[patrick jane]

Amen! Because the Elect of God were chosen in union with Christ before the foundation to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7, they could never be condemned. Their sins were charged to Him and His Righteousness charged to them 2 Cor. 5:19; Rom. 4:8; death was abolished for them 2 Tim. 1:10, and that's why they shall believe on Him, because Faith or Belief in Christ is a Fruit or effect of the Spirit Gal. 5:22.

Rom. 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.


But those who who were condemned already, that's why they shall not believe on Him Rom. 8:8: Their sins were never charged to Christ because they never had a Legal Union with Him. So they must bear their own sins; and the wages of sin is Death Rom. 6:23.

Rev. 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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And your cult believes the majority of people are predestined to hell fire.

 

[Ben Masada]

I believe the atonement doctrine (as portrayed by traditional Christianity) fosters a God of fear, not of love.

Jesus said, To the ego sin means death, and so atonement is achieved through murder. Salvation is looked upon as a way by which the Son of God was killed instead of you." ("A Course in Miracles")

The Atonement, What did it Really Accomplish?

Every year we celebrate Yom Kippur aka Day of Atonement in memory of the redemption of Judah by Israel. The Day of Judgment had arrived for both, Israel and Judah. Since the Lord did not want to destroy all His People aka the Twelve Tribes, the Lord decided to let Israel aka the Ten Tribes go and confirmed Judah to remain as His peculiar People forever. (Psalm 78:67-70) That's when Israel fell at the hands of the Assyrians and as we have in Amos 5:2 it fell as the Scapegoat sent to Assyria, Eastward through the desert to never return. In other words, the Ten Tribes got lost. That was Redemption because Israel had atoned for Judah to fulfill the Divine promise to David that his Tribe aka Judah would remain as a Lamp in Jerusalem forever. That's what Atonement has accomplished.

 

[Nanja]

And your cult believes the majority of people are predestined to hell fire.

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Yet your false religion believes that it's God's Will / Desire for all men without exception to be saved but yet His Will fails and many wind up in the lake of fire.


You see how that contradicts Dan. 4:35 and questions the very integrity of the Word of God 2 Tim. 3:16?

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[Nanja]

No Condemnation !2

Those Christ died for cannot possibly be under condemnation while unbelievers, because as unbelievers /enemies, by His death they were reconciled to God Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

That reconciliation cannot have taken place if we are under Gods condemnation as some are Jn 3:18

¹⁸ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Thats not applicable to unbelievers which Christ died for, no way !

Exactly! It's only applicable to unbelievers whom Christ did not die for, abolish death for.


But there is no condemnation for those Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:4.

Rom. 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Hence, they were Justified by God's Grace given them before the world began Titus 3:7!

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[patrick jane]

Dan. 4:35
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Yet your false religion believes that it's God's Will / Desire for all men without exception to be saved but yet His Will fails and many wind up in the lake of fire.


You see how that contradicts Dan. 4:35 and questions the very integrity of the Word of God 2 Tim. 3:16?

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Rabbit trail -

 

[Nanja]

Rabbit trail -

cop out

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[beloved57]

It redeemed us to God !

Another Great Blessing that the Death of Christ accomplished for everyone He died for, His Elect Sheep and Church, it redeemed us to God ! Rev 5:9

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes, His being slain alone redeemed them to God by His Blood, that plus nothing else ! That is why by His Death/Blood alone we were reconciled to God Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This is denied by the antichrist crowd, which would tell us that which denotes that men are merely redeemable or reconcilable by Christs Death/Blood, which is a false gospel !

 

[beloved57]

nanja

Exactly! It's only applicable to unbelievers whom Christ did not die for, abolish death for.

Absolutely !

 

[Nanja]

It redeemed us to God !

Another Great Blessing that the Death of Christ accomplished for everyone He died for, His Elect Sheep and Church, it redeemed us to God ! Rev 5:9

⁹ And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Yes, His being slain alone redeemed them to God by His Blood, that plus nothing else ! That is why by His Death/Blood alone we were reconciled to God Rom 5:10

¹⁰ For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

This is denied by the antichrist crowd, which would tell us that which denotes that men are merely redeemable or reconcilable by Christs Death/Blood, which is a false gospel !

It is indeed antichrist to teach that men have any part to play in their own salvation whatsoever. For it deprives Christ's Death of its Perfect Efficacy to Save all those He shed His Blood for, by giving credit to the sinner instead. These shall die in their sins, and remain permanently under God's Wrath.

But one hundred percent of Christ's Elect Sheep and Church were Redeemed by His Blood and thus Reconciled to God, which means God's Wrath for them has been forever appeased!

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[beloved57]

It is indeed antichrist to teach that men have any part to play in their own salvation whatsoever. For it deprives Christ's Death of its Perfect Efficacy to Save all those He shed His Blood for, by giving credit to the sinner instead. These shall die in their sins, and remain permanently under God's Wrath.

But one hundred percent of Christ's Elect Sheep and Church were Redeemed by His Blood and thus Reconciled to God, which means God's Wrath for them has been forever appeased!

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Praise the Lord for such words of wisdom !

 

[Nanja]

Praise the Lord for such words of wisdom !

We Praise Him indeed, Brother Ps. 25:14!

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[beloved57]

Nonon

In 1 John 2:2 it even states that Jesus blotted out not only 'our' sin, our meaning the Christians whom the letter was directed to, but also for the whole world, the world meaning everyone.

You say the world means everyone, that scripture doesn't say that, and can't mean that since plainly some shall die in their sins Jn 8:24, which can't be the case if Jesus blotted them out.

 

[beloved57]

Four blessings of the death of Christ !

1 Cor 6:11

¹¹ And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


This is how we know that Christ's death was not for all mankind without exception, though it was for men without distinction. Every sinner Christ died for, from it, they are # 1. Washed this is the greek word apolouó and it means:

I wash off, mid: I wash away (my sins, in baptism).

(from 575 /apó, "away from" and 3068 /loúō, "wash") – properly, wash away. This strengthened form of 3068 /loúō ("to wash") refers to an entire washing – the complete removal of sin and its debt.


It entails that every last one of them have been washed of their sins and sin debt before a Holy God. Its like when David said Ps 103:12

¹² As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

to have washed away their sins, i. e. to have been cleansed from their sins.Its what the writer of Hebrews means here Heb 1:3

³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

See, when Christ died for the sins of the elect, He purged their sins. That word purge katharismos also means:

a cleansing from the guilt of sins

They can never be guilty of their sins before God, lest Christ's death lost its power with God ! Also look at Rev 1:5

who by suffering the bloody death of a vicarious sacrifice cleansed us from the guilt of our sins, Revelation 1:5 !

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

When did He Love us and wash away our sins ? Was it when we became believers ? No, He Loved us from the foundation of the world, and He washed away our sins when Christ died, shed His Blood !

This He did for every sinner He died for ! They are not guilty of any sins before God !

 

[beloved57]

Four blessings of the death of Christ !2


Blessing #2 Sanctified ! Not only was every sinner Christ died for washed, but they were also Sanctified ! The word sanctified here in 1 Cor 6:11 is the greek word hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify,hagiázō (from 40 /hágios, "holy") – to regard as special (sacred), i.e. holy ("set apart"), sanctify

His Death alone makes them Holy and sets them apart, separates them from the world,makes them sacred before God, because of Christ's Blood.

Its the same word and meaning the inspired writer of Hebrews uses here Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Yes, this is the same thing stated in 1 Cor 6:11, being sanctified by the death of Christ !

Once again Heb 13:12

12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

Notice how He sanctified the people, with His own Blood ! John Gill writes on this verse:

that he might sanctify the people with his own blood: by "the people" are meant the people who are the objects of divine love and favour; a chosen and covenant people; a distinct and peculiar people; Christ's own special people, by the gift of his Father to him: and the sanctification of them does not design the internal sanctification of them, though this is from Christ, and in consequence of his blood; nor does it so much regard the cleansing of the filth of sin, though Christ's blood sanctifies, in this sense; but rather the expiation of the guilt of sin, which Christ has fully took away; complete pardon being procured, and a perfect righteousness brought in:

Every sinner Christ died for, when they come into the world as enemies Rom 5:10, they have already been washed, sanctified by Christ's death ! This of course doesnt apply to all mankind without exception, the scripture doesnt support such a false hood !

 

[beloved57]

Four blessings of the death of Christ !3

Blessing # 3, those Christ died for, by His death alone they have been Justified 1 Cor 6:11

¹¹ And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That word Justified is the greek word dikaioō an means :

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
   
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
   
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
   
   Its the verb form of the adjective dikaios which Paul uses in Rom 5:19
   
   ¹⁹ For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous/Justified.
   
   And this being made righteous came as a direct result of the Obedience of Christ, His Person and Work.
   
   Thats why Paul says in 1 Cor 6:11, these things happened in the name of the Lord Jesus, because they happened through His Person and Work for them !
   
   

 

[beloved57]

Four blessings of the death of Christ !4

Now as we see in 1 Cor 6:11, theres listed 4 Blessings that flow from the death of Christ alone :

¹¹ And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

We looked at being washed, sanctified, and justified, but the 4th blessing is that of Justification, washing, Sanctification by the Spirit of Our God. In other words, those Christ died for will receive the Gift of the Spirit, for its an redemptive Gift for all whom Christ died for and redeemed by His Blood, Gal 3:13-14

¹³ Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:


¹⁴ That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we[the redeemed] might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Paul states it again in Gal 4:4-6


⁴ But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,


⁵ To redeem them that were under the law, that we[the redeemed] might receive the adoption of sons.


⁶ And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The Spirit after its sent into our hearts, so fulfilling the New Covenant Promise Ezk 36:25-27


²⁵ Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
²⁶ A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
²⁷ And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Notice the New Heart is given in Vs 26, then the Spirit is given within it, so states Gal 4:6

⁶ And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

The Holy Spirit indwells the New Heart, not the old stony heart of nature, its taken away Ez 36:26

²⁶ A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

The stony heart of the flesh is the heart you and i have by nature towards God ! But alas, the Blessings of Christ's death remedies that problem !

Theres not one sinner Christ died for that has not been given #1 Washing, #2sanctification, #3Justification, and #4the Spirit of God

 

[beloved57]

The accomplishments of Christ death !

The death of Christ accomplished the full salvation of all for whom He died. His Covenantal Death provides all things so that they He died for are converted to God by Him Rom 8:32

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

Now what are some of the all things He gives them He was delivered up for ?

He gives them Justification ! Rom 4:25

Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

Thats right folks, those Christ died for, was delivered up for, gave them Justification. If it didnt, He would not have been raised again, and they He was delivered for would still be in their sins, charged against them. But His resurrection proves that He and they were Justified before God. The same Truth is in Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men [that He was delivered up for Rom 4:25;8:32] unto justification of life.

So everyone Christ died for, provided with Him, was their Justification to life ! Everyone born into the world as sinners and ungodly enemies, that Christ was delivered for, are born Justified regardless, by the righteousness of one !