The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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Get saved.

 

[beloved57]

Get saved.

I knew you had no scripture for your false comment. Thats how false religionist are, they make up stuff out of their darkended understanding !

 

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The jist of what I gather from Beloved57

-Jesus died only for the elect
-The elect are those who believe only the elect are saved
-You can't know you're the elect
-When Jesus says 'The world" in many verses he actually only means "the elect"

Indeed, B57 lives with a false confidence. He can't say he is saved. He lives in presumption.

 

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I realize he is a hyper Calvinist and not all Calvinists hold his extreme views. However in general I don't agree and/or believe Calvinist doctrines so there's that I guess.

Not all Calvinists are hyper.

 

[beloved57]

When Jesus says 'The world" in many verses he actually only means "the elect"

Thats Right. His Sheep from all nations !

 

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Thats Right. His Sheep from all nations !

Got a verse for that?

 

[beloved57]

Got a verse for that?

Not for you.

 

[lifeisgood]

I gave you scripture. Get understanding from what read instead of living in denial just to protect your untoward religious bent. Redemption of the OT saints was a fact! There is an account that proves it. I gave it to you and asked you 2 questions you refuse to answer. Deal with with your willful stupidity. I'll have no more of you' unless you do!

I wonder why he won't answer Tambora's question.

 

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Not for you.

Not for anybody, is what you really mean.

"Are you going to show the scripture or not?"

 

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I wonder why he won't answer Tambora's question.

B57 is a phony; a mask. He has no answers and certainly no relationship with Jesus Christ. His god is the false religion he places his confidence in - - heavy duty Presbyterianism..I am quite familiar with their lapsarian cult thinking.

 

[beloved57]

Not for anybody, is what you really mean.

"Are you going to show the scripture or not?"

Not for you, but you can start reading this thread and see if you can understand the points I have explained with scripture.

 

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Not for you, but you can start reading this thread and see if you can understand the points I have explained with scripture.

Your points are no points. So where is the scripture purposed by you to persuade me or anyone? Perhaps you have an obscure verse you can offer up?

 

[beloved57]

Your points are no points. So where is the scripture purposed by you to persuade me or anyone?

Then why are you posting in the thread ?

 

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Then why are you posting in the thread ?

Why did you open it? I have never given you a scripture that you haven't denied existed. Even now you refuse what I asked for.

 

[beloved57]

Why did you open it?

That's a stupid question. Isn't this a discussion board ?

 

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That's a stupid question. Isn't this a discussion board ?

Asked of a stupid person. You asked me mine so I'll ask you your's, especially when I know you want to persuade away from truth.

 

[beloved57]

You asked me mine so I'll ask you your's, especially when I know you want to persuade away from truth.

Do you want to discuss the points I made in this thread ?

 

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Do you want to discuss the points I made in this thread ?

Sure, if you can admit repemption and salvation are not the same thing. That is an easy request for the one who understands what Jesus Christ was and is, all about. So go for it.

 

[beloved57]

Sure, if you can admit repemption and salvation are not the same thing. That is an easy request for the one who understands what Jesus Christ was and is, all about. So go for it.

Well that means you don't want to discuss the points in this thread.

 

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Well that means you don't want to discuss the points in this thread.

Wrong again. It means you have little to no knowledge about either subject redemption or salvation to offer, just your religious schpiel that goes nowhere with anyone learned in the scriptures.