Synagogue shooting and antisemitism

[chair]

It's not irrational!

You know a way to judge a culture? Look at the food.

The Jewish culinary tradition is deplorable.

Given that fact, how can you possibly trust Jews?

Ha ha.
But nonetheless, you are a deplorable bigot.

 

[Town Heretic]

You know a way to judge a culture? Look at the food.

You should make that first sentence your calling card on the point and put a colon where the exclamation mark is...then just keep winging it, but use bullet points.

The Jewish culinary tradition is deplorable.

That would be a good one.

I'm simply saying that it's foolish to criticize Goebbels...

Almost anything beyond that point was more so. Like trying to pick out pieces of edible material from an open sewer. You probably could, but why would you want to?

The purpose of the quote was to show that the basis of Nazi antisemitism was socialism/anti-capitalism. They identified Jews as capitalists.

I thought the purpose was to further illustrate your profound irrationality in relation to the Jews and the impact of bigotry on an otherwise facile mind.

But the hatred of Germans (and many other Europeans) of the Jew really has nothing to do with economic theory. It's religiously based persecution that long preceded that distinction. Jews had been massacred and expelled for invented crimes for generations mostly because of that unreasoned and illogical root.

To outlaw the language of Antisemitism is getting into 'thought police' territory. What we can---and should---do, is to recognize, protect, and affirm the right of all Jewish people, to keep and bear any instruments that constitute bearable arms, in self-defense, and in defense of their families, friends, neighbors, and other loved ones. Let the Antisemites have their words, but if they try to commit violent crimes, protect yourself and your loved ones.

Sometimes I think you might one day write, "Yes, salvation is an excellent thing, but saving up to buy a gun, that's something we should move to the forefront of our alter calls." lain:

 

[Idolater]

Sometimes I think you might one day write, "Yes, salvation is an excellent thing, but saving up to buy a gun, that's something we should move to the forefront of our alter calls." lain:

What's an 'alter call?'
And what's an 'altar call?' Must be a Protestant thing. :chuckle:

But seriously, I do strenuously defend the right of Jewish people to defend themselves, with the same weaponry as do our law enforcement and armed services, as inalienable, part of them simply being human beings. No Antisemite ever uttered such a thing, and never would.

And yes, I harp on gun rights a lot. What you don't see is me harping on religious liberty, because while the Puritanical Christendom that developed in America is still in the process of unraveling, we Christians are enjoying almost the world round an astounding safety wrt our religion. We almost couldn't ask for more favorable conditions to practice and preach our faith. iow the world almost couldn't be more ripe for something like 'Christendom 2.0,' which will be similar to the mid-4th century, when the Church was legal, and no other religions were outlawed. A flourishing Church, and a militant defense of religious liberty, is something like how I see our race coming to a milestone in our development, not to mention the progression of the Gospel throughout the world.

If religious liberty were threatened then I'd be harping on that, but here in America, it is very safe to be a Christian by and large. Christians may have a biased view of what constitutes good laws on the matter, resisting the unraveling of Christendom, but eventually the Church will agree on good politics, but we will do so with complete consent, and not because any Church authority teaches something authoritative. Their gift is not politics, as history has shown, and as they themselves admit, by way of absence, in saying that their gift is in matters of doctrine and morals of the Christian faith, and not 'politics.'

'If you want peace, prepare for war.' 'Google Translate' translates this as 'Si vis pacem, para bellum' in Latin.

There's a Wikipedia page for this phrase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum

It's a recognized proverb that applies as much to nations, as it does to individuals. A lasting/unending peace will be preserved by armed civilians. And when religious liberty is protected with vigor, then no one will ever need fear having to confront law enforcement or military, due to their religion.

 

[ok doser]

Ha ha.
But nonetheless, you are a deplorable bigot.

trad may well be a bigot but his bigotry may well have been arrived at by understandable means

rather than label him as deplorable, i'd rather try to understand his justifications for his perspective


are the following statements true or not?

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in the media

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in the area of finance

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in Hollywood

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in higher education, especially in the social sciences




if true, is it justifiable to lay a lot of the ills of modern society associated with those fields at the feet of those in control of those fields?

 

[ok doser]

What's an 'alter call?'

a variant of "booty call"?? :idunno:

 

[Sherman]

It's not irrational!

You know a way to judge a culture? Look at the food.

The Jewish culinary tradition is deplorable.

Given that fact, how can you possibly trust Jews?

Bigot = loser.

 

[Sherman]

​BTW I happen to love Jewish food. It's very tasty.

 

[Town Heretic]

What's an 'alter call?'
And what's an 'altar call?' Must be a Protestant thing. :chuckle:

It is, though a number of churches don't have them. I picked it up from watching a televised Billy Graham crusade long ago. I've never belonged to a church that had one.

But seriously, I do strenuously defend the right of Jewish people to defend themselves, with the same weaponry as do our law enforcement and armed services, as inalienable, part of them simply being human beings. No Antisemite ever uttered such a thing, and never would.

Right. My inference is that you're a bit narrowly focused, that Jews were incidental to your point.

And yes, I harp on gun rights a lot. What you don't see is me harping on religious liberty, because while the Puritanical Christendom that developed in America is still in the process of unraveling, we Christians are enjoying almost the world round an astounding safety wrt our religion.

It's been a good time to be a Christian, though many seem to feel the Christmas tree must, from time to time, be fed on the blood of martyrs. Something like that. I mean the ones who don't find that tree a pagan corruption. It can get tricky. :think:

'If you want peace, prepare for war.' 'Google Translate' translates this as 'Si vis pacem, para bellum' in Latin.

The ol peace through strength notion. It's always been popular. Especially with the military industrial complex.

 

[Idolater]

My inference is that you're a bit narrowly focused, that Jews were incidental to your point.

Well, it's true. I also feel the same way about women, all poc, and lgbtq people as well, that they all possess the same inalienable right, and that their right should be as protected, recognized, and affirmed, as it should already be for Jewish people, but isn't.

It's been a good time to be a Christian

It sure has, and prognosis continues to look extremely, perhaps even miraculously, favorable.

, though many seem to feel the Christmas tree must, from time to time, be fed on the blood of martyrs. Something like that. I mean the ones who don't find that tree a pagan corruption. It can get tricky. :think:

Yeah, the 'martyrdom' those are thinking of is not the martyrdom of antiquity though, as I think you're implying. Christians were wrongly killed in a variety of creative ways strictly for believing in Christ and going to Mass. That persecution does still exist today, in the East in particular it seems, but in the West, there is no demand for Christian executions anymore, if it's just for faith and practice. Not politics. There are probably lots of people who'd like to penalize Christians for pushing new laws, or defending existing laws, that establish Christianity as state religion, that 'Puritanical Christendom' I mentioned earlier, but again, that's not what was happening in the early days. The Church was illegal then, and being a Christian could at times and in places, literally be a life-threatening choice.

The ol peace through strength notion. It's always been popular. Especially with the military industrial complex.

It used to be the threat of an armada of ships, full of British warriors, sailing into ports, streaming out their soldiers and marines to invade and attack us. We now have submarines and jets and icbms to worry about. Times change, technology changes, but 'si vis pacem, para bellum' remains proverbial.

 

[chair]

trad may well be a bigot but his bigotry may well have been arrived at by understandable means

rather than label him as deplorable, i'd rather try to understand his justifications for his perspective


are the following statements true or not?

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in the media

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in the area of finance

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in Hollywood

Jews are disproportionately over-represented in higher education, especially in the social sciences




if true, is it justifiable to lay a lot of the ills of modern society associated with those fields at the feet of those in control of those fields?

Jews are over represented in medicine, science, music, academia in general...

 

[ok doser]

Jews are over represented in medicine, science, music, academia in general...

which i attribute to cultural affects (and there's some evidence to support a higher average IQ)

but it's easy to see why the modern anti-semite would see that over-representation and ascribe nefarious causes


i've been thinking about trad's question from earlier when he asked whether there was any representation among the jewish population in manual labor

i don't have much experience working in those fields and in any peripheral environment relating to that, religion wasn't/isn't a topic of discussion

my experience with jews in the medical profession is based on a period of time in the past when i worked as a medical professional in a top-ranked research/teaching hospital and rented a house in an upscale suburb that was a bedroom community for many of the people who worked at the hospital.

 

[chair]

which i attribute to cultural affects (and there's some evidence to support a higher average IQ)

but it's easy to see why the modern anti-semite would see that over-representation and ascribe nefarious causes


i've been thinking about trad's question from earlier when he asked whether there was any representation among the jewish population in manual labor

i don't have much experience working in those fields and in any peripheral environment relating to that, religion wasn't/isn't a topic of discussion

my experience with jews in the medical profession is based on a period of time in the past when i worked as a medical professional in a top-ranked research/teaching hospital and rented a house in an upscale suburb that was a bedroom community for many of the people who worked at the hospital.

The implication all along is that there is something evil and unfair about success. At least if it is Jews who are succeeding.

 

[ok doser]

The implication all along is that there is something evil and unfair about success. At least if it is Jews who are succeeding.

it's similar to the feminist's claim that disparities in gender representation in STEM fields or positions of management/power can only be attributable to some ill-defined repressive "patriarchy", which is easily disproven by close examination

jordan peterson covers this in many of his lectures - at it's root (according to peterson) it's a socialist/marxist/progressive viewpoint that equality of outcome is desirable or achievable and that failure to achieve that is demonstrative of inequity



which is really weird to consider - that anti-semites/neo-nazis and feminists share (mistaken) core beliefs


i'm sorry trad was banned - it's always better to probe such beliefs to try and get a better understanding of where they come from than to silence them

 

[ok doser]

btw, if you have any interest in socialism/marxism, i'd highly recommend giving this guy a listen:

 

[JudgeRightly]

it's similar to the feminist's claim that disparities in gender representation in STEM fields or positions of management/power can only be attributable to some ill-defined repressive "patriarchy", which is easily disproven by close examination

jordan peterson covers this in many of his lectures - at it's root (according to peterson) it's a socialist/marxist/progressive viewpoint that equality of outcome is desirable or achievable and that failure to achieve that is demonstrative of inequity



which is really weird to consider - that anti-semites/neo-nazis and feminists share (mistaken) core beliefs


i'm sorry trad was banned - it's always better to probe such beliefs to try and get a better understanding of where they come from than to silence them

If it weren't for his blatant antisemitism, he would have lasted a lot longer...

Though, to be honest, I don't think his ban is permanent... He only received 2 points, i think permabans are 50... (though I am most likely incorrect on all of that...)

 

[ok doser]

If it weren't for his blatant antisemitism, he would have lasted a lot longer...

Though, to be honest, I don't think his ban is permanent... He only received 2 points, i think permabans are 50... (though I am most likely incorrect on all of that...)

i warned him to tone it down - for whatever reason, it's what he wanted to talk about :idunno:

 

[wonderdog]

Good to see you trad! :wave2:

i'm sorry trad was banned - it's always better to probe such beliefs to try and get a better understanding of where they come from than to silence them

Racist Friend by The Specials:

If you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

Be it your sister
Be it your brother
Be it your cousin or your, uncle or your lover

If you have a racist friend
now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

Be it your best friend
Or any other
Is it your husband or your father or your mother?

Tell them to change their views
Or change their friends
Now is the time, now is the time, for your friendship to end

So if you know a racist who thinks he is your friend
Now is the time, now is the time for your friendship to end

Call yourself my friend?
Now is the time to make up your mind, don't try to pretend

Be it your sister
Be it your brother
Be it your cousin or your uncle or your lover

So if you are a racist
Our friendship has got to end
And if your friends are racists don't pretend to be my friend

So if you have a racist friend
Now is the time, now is the time for our friendship to end

Goodbye

 

[ok doser]

Feel free to cut your racist friends loose if you want :idunno:

 

[chair]

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i'm sorry trad was banned - it's always better to probe such beliefs to try and get a better understanding of where they come from than to silence them

That's what I was trying to do.

There's a bit of family history here. My grandfather was a cheese maker in Eastern Europe. He'd go from farm to farm and make cheese. When he emigrated to the US he worked as a factory worker. His son- my father- went to medical school, and became a doctor. So was my grandfather "OK", because he did manual labor? I'm afraid not. They suffered from pogroms where he lived. Was my father evil because he studied medicine? Trad apparently thinks so. I think not. Nor do I think his patients would think so.

I suspect the soldiers he was with early in his career (an all black unit, by the way- the US Army was segregated until the 1950's) appreciated his assistance.

 

[ok doser]

unsurprisingly, blacks are another hot-button when dealing with trad