musterion
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Yep, they put the big invisible X on your door. Or Satan did.
Standing Up To Jehovah's Witnesses
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Yep, they put the big invisible X on your door. Or Satan did.
Thats true - not even from another group. The Mormon ones, for example, went from "we'll paint your porch for you or shovel your snow," to...Never heard from again...
The OP's points as to how establish some standards for proceeding forward are very good ones.
Good ones, but leaves off the most important part, sharing the actual gospel of salvation. What a horrible opportunity to miss.
musterion
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Yep, and it almost seems deliberate. :think:
Either the OP is building up to it in their presentation on here, or is to focused on getting along, or is too books based and all they end up going into but the crunch question "do you know for sure that if you were to die right now that you have a place in God's Heaven; what are you basing that on; and; if you were wrong, would you want to know about it, on the authority of God's Word?"
That right there puts whats really what on the table "without" as the Apostle Paul might have put it "controversy."
I'll wait the OP out; see where they are going with all this; such waiting out appears to be part of their point.
WeberHome
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The Watch Tower Society insists that when Jesus Christ died; he ceased to
exist as a conscious, sentient being. Their belief of course assumes that
Christ's soul died during crucifixion right along with his body; which of
course it didn't because assassins can't kill souls.
"Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul;"
(Matt 10:28a)
In other words: the soul doesn't automatically perish along with the demise
of one's body. Not that it's impossible; it's just that only God can pull off
something like that.
"but rather be in fear of Him that can destroy both soul and body in
Gehenna." (Matt 10:28b)
For those seeking an alternative to the Watch Tower Society's resurrection
avatar (a.k.a. Christ's alleged materialized body) we offer the below.
Seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 clearly testifies that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God, how then are we to explain Jesus Christ's resurrection?
Well; this is actually very easy to explain.
First off: it was essential that Christ's corpse be returned to life or otherwise
his prediction as per John 2:19-22 would've been easily proven false.
However, in its revived condition, the Lord's body was unsuitable for heaven.
So then, what are we do about that?
Some day all Christ's followers will be raised from the dead and taken up to
meet the Lord in the air (1Thes 3:14-17). On the way up, their bodies will
undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation. (1Cor 15:51-53). I think
it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's body underwent a similar
transformation while on the way up to heaven as per Acts 1:9 so that today
his body is no longer a normal human body; but instead a superhuman body
to which all his followers' bodies will one day conform.
Though Jesus Christ's superhuman body isn't composed of flesh and blood as
we know it; he's still capable of dining upon ordinary foods.
†. Luke 22:15-16 . . And he said to them: I have greatly desired to eat this
Passover with you before I suffer; for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it
becomes fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And also capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.
†. Matt 26:29 . . I tell you, I will by no means drink henceforth any of this
product of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in the
kingdom of my Father.
Q: If Jesus Christ's corpse really did return to life; then how did he get it into
a room without opening the door? (John 20:19)
A: Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, walked on water, calmed storms,
restored withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and
leprosy, multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the
dead, withered a fig tree, levitated into the sky, etc. Come on now; what's
one more miracle more or less for a man like that?
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The Watch Tower Society insists that when Jesus Christ died; he ceased to
exist as a conscious, sentient being. Their belief of course assumes that
Christ's soul died during crucifixion right along with his body; which of
course it didn't because assassins can't kill souls.
"Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul;"
(Matt 10:28a)
In other words: the soul doesn't automatically perish along with the demise
of one's body. Not that it's impossible; it's just that only God can pull off
something like that.
"but rather be in fear of Him that can destroy both soul and body in
Gehenna." (Matt 10:28b)
For those seeking an alternative to the Watch Tower Society's resurrection
avatar (a.k.a. Christ's alleged materialized body) we offer the below.
Seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 clearly testifies that flesh and blood cannot inherit
the kingdom of God, how then are we to explain Jesus Christ's resurrection?
Well; this is actually very easy to explain.
First off: it was essential that Christ's corpse be returned to life or otherwise
his prediction as per John 2:19-22 would've been easily proven false.
However, in its revived condition, the Lord's body was unsuitable for heaven.
So then, what are we do about that?
Some day all Christ's followers will be raised from the dead and taken up to
meet the Lord in the air (1Thes 3:14-17). On the way up, their bodies will
undergo a sudden and miraculous transformation. (1Cor 15:51-53). I think
it's pretty safe to assume that Christ's body underwent a similar
transformation while on the way up to heaven as per Acts 1:9 so that today
his body is no longer a normal human body; but instead a superhuman body
to which all his followers' bodies will one day conform.
Though Jesus Christ's superhuman body isn't composed of flesh and blood as
we know it; he's still capable of dining upon ordinary foods.
†. Luke 22:15-16 . . And he said to them: I have greatly desired to eat this
Passover with you before I suffer; for I tell you, I will not eat it again until it
becomes fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
And also capable of imbibing ordinary beverages.
†. Matt 26:29 . . I tell you, I will by no means drink henceforth any of this
product of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in the
kingdom of my Father.
Q: If Jesus Christ's corpse really did return to life; then how did he get it into
a room without opening the door? (John 20:19)
A: Jesus Christ was virgin-conceived, walked on water, calmed storms,
restored withered limbs, put the lame up on their feet, healed blindness and
leprosy, multiplied loaves and fishes, converted water into wine, raised the
dead, withered a fig tree, levitated into the sky, etc. Come on now; what's
one more miracle more or less for a man like that?
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WeberHome
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The Watch Tower Society asserts that Jesus Christ's resurrection was not a
resurrection as most people understand the process, but rather; Christ's
material body was left dead and he was re-created as a non material being:
specifically a spirit being. In other words; according to the Watch Tower
Society; Jesus Christ is no longer a man; he's an angel.
Of all the doctrines invented by the Watch Tower Society, I'd have to say
that is the most insidious because belief in Christ's resurrection is one of the
essential elements of the gospel that must be accepted if one is to have any
hope of escaping the wrath of God.
†. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I
preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which
also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless
you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also
received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that
He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures
Paul goes on to say that if Christ did not revive, then Christians haven't a
prayer of escaping the wrath of God.
†. 1 Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you
are still in your sins.
But we know of course that the Society's assertion has a fatal flaw; and it's
this:
†. John 2:19-22 . . Jesus said to them: Break down this temple, and in three
days I will raise it up. Therefore the Jews said: This temple was built in
forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days? But he was talking
about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the
dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed
the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said.
You see, if Christ's material body had not been restored to life, his prediction
would be easily proven false.
Bottom line: The Society's version of Christ's resurrection is false; ergo: they
do not believe he actually rose from the dead; and I guess we all know what
that means.
Q: What and/or where are the scriptures about which Paul spoke?
A: There's at least two. One is the story of Jonah; which Christ appropriated
as a "sign" of his own resurrection. (Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40)
Another is in the book of Psalms at 16:8-10 (cf. Acts 2:22-36)
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The Watch Tower Society asserts that Jesus Christ's resurrection was not a
resurrection as most people understand the process, but rather; Christ's
material body was left dead and he was re-created as a non material being:
specifically a spirit being. In other words; according to the Watch Tower
Society; Jesus Christ is no longer a man; he's an angel.
Of all the doctrines invented by the Watch Tower Society, I'd have to say
that is the most insidious because belief in Christ's resurrection is one of the
essential elements of the gospel that must be accepted if one is to have any
hope of escaping the wrath of God.
†. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I
preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which
also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless
you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also
received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that
He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the
Scriptures
Paul goes on to say that if Christ did not revive, then Christians haven't a
prayer of escaping the wrath of God.
†. 1 Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you
are still in your sins.
But we know of course that the Society's assertion has a fatal flaw; and it's
this:
†. John 2:19-22 . . Jesus said to them: Break down this temple, and in three
days I will raise it up. Therefore the Jews said: This temple was built in
forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days? But he was talking
about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the
dead, his disciples called to mind that he used to say this; and they believed
the Scripture and the saying that Jesus said.
You see, if Christ's material body had not been restored to life, his prediction
would be easily proven false.
Bottom line: The Society's version of Christ's resurrection is false; ergo: they
do not believe he actually rose from the dead; and I guess we all know what
that means.
Q: What and/or where are the scriptures about which Paul spoke?
A: There's at least two. One is the story of Jonah; which Christ appropriated
as a "sign" of his own resurrection. (Jonah 1:17, Matt 12:40)
Another is in the book of Psalms at 16:8-10 (cf. Acts 2:22-36)
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iouae
Well-known member
If you don't mind wasting a little time in a Bible discussion like being on this forum, then I totally agree with the above point. Talk to them. Or not if you are busy.
The last time JW's came around, I had the agenda of questioning them as to why they thought they were the only right church on earth. I was trying to point out that only cults think they are the only right church. It was a pleasant discussion.
iouae
Well-known member
Jehovah's Witnesses say that only the Father is Jehovah God. Are they right?
The word "LORD" is Strong's H3068 and is transliterated "Jehovah" from the Hebrew letters YHWH. Some prefer Yahweh to Jehovah.
So who is Jehovah, Christ or the Father?
Gen 3
13 And the Lord (YHWH or Jehovah) God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Combine it with...
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
and....
John 6:46
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
So Jehovah God was speaking with Adam and Eve, and they could see Him.
Thus Christ is Jehovah.
But so is the Father.
The Bible uses the word YHWH God to differentiate Christ and the Father from the other "gods" or spirit beings. All spirit beings are "elohim" or "gods" but only Christ and the Father are YHWH elohim. They are the everlasting Gods as opposed to the created spirit beings.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only the Father is YHWH. Putting Gen 3:13 together with John 6:46 disproves this.
The word "LORD" is Strong's H3068 and is transliterated "Jehovah" from the Hebrew letters YHWH. Some prefer Yahweh to Jehovah.
So who is Jehovah, Christ or the Father?
Gen 3
13 And the Lord (YHWH or Jehovah) God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Combine it with...
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
and....
John 6:46
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
So Jehovah God was speaking with Adam and Eve, and they could see Him.
Thus Christ is Jehovah.
But so is the Father.
The Bible uses the word YHWH God to differentiate Christ and the Father from the other "gods" or spirit beings. All spirit beings are "elohim" or "gods" but only Christ and the Father are YHWH elohim. They are the everlasting Gods as opposed to the created spirit beings.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only the Father is YHWH. Putting Gen 3:13 together with John 6:46 disproves this.
keypurr
Well-known member
Most think that they belong to the only true church. I find them no different from the mainstream churches except they know more. That's why most do not wish to engage the JW's.
iouae
Well-known member
Yes the JW's are proud of some unique "truths" they embrace.
But the core message of the Gospel is really simple. Trust and obey Jesus. And most churches teach that. So I ask them why I must leave my church for theirs? For some esoteric "truths"? I also tell them straight that I don't want to go two by two knocking on doors and bothering folks.
dreadknought
New member
WeberHome
New member
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9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.
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9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.
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oatmeal
Well-known member
I am usually amused by such discussions, although I used to allow myself to get upset at times.
Who here is willing to define the term "cult"?
Let us see what the English dictionary states.
Webster's states "a particular ritual or system or system of worship; a subject of special study; devoted or extravagant homage or adoration"
Do those who push water baptism fit that description? Yes.
Do those who push Calvinism fit that description? Yes.
See I grew up in a cult. My father made us go to his "church" against our free will. This cult has a very evil past. There was a time that when a couple asked one of their officials to marry them, the official would marry them only if they agreed to let the official have sex with the woman first.
My dad also told me that when wars erupted where he grew up, the officials of both warring countries would tell their people that if they died in battle they would go to heaven. Yet they were fighting each other.
The leaders wear special clothing at all times, like the Hari Krishnas and other Eastern religions do, to signify how special they are, like the Pharisees of Jesus time did. All their actions were for show, again like the Pharisees. Their clothing was particularly significant during their weekly rituals in which they celebrated resacrificing their leader
Of course, they maintain that they are the only true church and that you are doomed to suffer in eternal hellfire if you disobeyed their rules and especially so if you left their organization, ie, their control.
They use the Bible, more as an ornament, than a source for their beliefs.
There was rumors floating about that the male officials and female officials were secretly having sex with each other though their vows forbade them from ever having sex or becoming married ever again.
They believe that dead people are actually alive, I wondered why then they would do all their particular rituals for "dead" people, if indeed they are actually alive, why not put these "dead" alive (or should I say alive dead ) people in chairs in their living rooms instead of burying them alive. After all they believed that the dead people could hear them and could answer their prayers from beyond the grave.
Seemed they have official rituals for everything.
One of their churches claimed to have the foreskin of Jesus Christ. They believed that in order for their meeting buildings to have any holiness about them, they had to have a icon from Bible times, like bones from the apostle Peter or as stated, the foreskin of Jesus Christ. It is a creepy thing to think that they would worship someone's foreskin instead of following the example and teachings of Jesus Christ.
As I understood their doctrines, they believe that their official leader was the only official representative of Jesus Christ
They believed that only some of their alive dead people were saints and only after official review and counsel regarding what they determined what was worthy of sainthood. I wonder if they had instant replay of their holy people's lives or what?
Seemed like if someone actually got an answer to a prayer, especially if praying to a dead person, they would be considered for saint hood.
No one knew if they were actually saved or not, they denied the works of Jesus Christ, they believed they had to suffer to obtains salvation, as if the sufferings of Jesus Christ are a waste of their time.
Although, I will admit they did actually refer to scripture a times they did not take it very seriously.
They are more serious about their man made traditions than scripture.
Simple truths like Matthew 2:11 eluded them, they always portrayed three wise men showing up at the manger at the inn in Bethlehem instead of an showing up at a house to see a young child, not a newborn, and they claimed to have special knowledge that there were three wise men although, scripture does not say how many there were.
Neither can they count to three. Matthew 12:40. They celebrate the death of Jesus Christ and claim he died on Friday and got up by himself from the dead on Sunday morning. No one in their right mind can count three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning.
I could go on, but you get the picture. These were some bad, bad people.
Thank God my mother and her side of the family were Lutherans so I had some reasons to question my dad's (loosely speaking, he was not a fanatic about his) beliefs.
I escaped from that system of beliefs and was able to learn scriptures from people who take scripture seriously who do not claim to know everything there is to know about God and His son and scripture, but readily admit, they love to learn and are willing to teach what they have learned up to know.
Yes, I find the topics of "cults" most interesting having grown up in one.
Who here is willing to define the term "cult"?
Let us see what the English dictionary states.
Webster's states "a particular ritual or system or system of worship; a subject of special study; devoted or extravagant homage or adoration"
Do those who push water baptism fit that description? Yes.
Do those who push Calvinism fit that description? Yes.
See I grew up in a cult. My father made us go to his "church" against our free will. This cult has a very evil past. There was a time that when a couple asked one of their officials to marry them, the official would marry them only if they agreed to let the official have sex with the woman first.
My dad also told me that when wars erupted where he grew up, the officials of both warring countries would tell their people that if they died in battle they would go to heaven. Yet they were fighting each other.
The leaders wear special clothing at all times, like the Hari Krishnas and other Eastern religions do, to signify how special they are, like the Pharisees of Jesus time did. All their actions were for show, again like the Pharisees. Their clothing was particularly significant during their weekly rituals in which they celebrated resacrificing their leader
Of course, they maintain that they are the only true church and that you are doomed to suffer in eternal hellfire if you disobeyed their rules and especially so if you left their organization, ie, their control.
They use the Bible, more as an ornament, than a source for their beliefs.
There was rumors floating about that the male officials and female officials were secretly having sex with each other though their vows forbade them from ever having sex or becoming married ever again.
They believe that dead people are actually alive, I wondered why then they would do all their particular rituals for "dead" people, if indeed they are actually alive, why not put these "dead" alive (or should I say alive dead ) people in chairs in their living rooms instead of burying them alive. After all they believed that the dead people could hear them and could answer their prayers from beyond the grave.
Seemed they have official rituals for everything.
One of their churches claimed to have the foreskin of Jesus Christ. They believed that in order for their meeting buildings to have any holiness about them, they had to have a icon from Bible times, like bones from the apostle Peter or as stated, the foreskin of Jesus Christ. It is a creepy thing to think that they would worship someone's foreskin instead of following the example and teachings of Jesus Christ.
As I understood their doctrines, they believe that their official leader was the only official representative of Jesus Christ
They believed that only some of their alive dead people were saints and only after official review and counsel regarding what they determined what was worthy of sainthood. I wonder if they had instant replay of their holy people's lives or what?
Seemed like if someone actually got an answer to a prayer, especially if praying to a dead person, they would be considered for saint hood.
No one knew if they were actually saved or not, they denied the works of Jesus Christ, they believed they had to suffer to obtains salvation, as if the sufferings of Jesus Christ are a waste of their time.
Although, I will admit they did actually refer to scripture a times they did not take it very seriously.
They are more serious about their man made traditions than scripture.
Simple truths like Matthew 2:11 eluded them, they always portrayed three wise men showing up at the manger at the inn in Bethlehem instead of an showing up at a house to see a young child, not a newborn, and they claimed to have special knowledge that there were three wise men although, scripture does not say how many there were.
Neither can they count to three. Matthew 12:40. They celebrate the death of Jesus Christ and claim he died on Friday and got up by himself from the dead on Sunday morning. No one in their right mind can count three days and three nights from Friday afternoon to Sunday morning.
I could go on, but you get the picture. These were some bad, bad people.
Thank God my mother and her side of the family were Lutherans so I had some reasons to question my dad's (loosely speaking, he was not a fanatic about his) beliefs.
I escaped from that system of beliefs and was able to learn scriptures from people who take scripture seriously who do not claim to know everything there is to know about God and His son and scripture, but readily admit, they love to learn and are willing to teach what they have learned up to know.
Yes, I find the topics of "cults" most interesting having grown up in one.
oatmeal
Well-known member
I find it interesting that Jesus and Peter and Paul were accused of heretical teachings in their lifetime.
The official religion of Jesus time plotted to kill, destroy, murder Jesus Christ because he did not conform to their system of beliefs.
They held a mock trial, actually two mock trials and had someone else do the dirty work of crucifying him because they did not want to get their hands dirty!
What a bunch of hypocrites!
The official religion of Jesus time plotted to kill, destroy, murder Jesus Christ because he did not conform to their system of beliefs.
They held a mock trial, actually two mock trials and had someone else do the dirty work of crucifying him because they did not want to get their hands dirty!
What a bunch of hypocrites!
oatmeal
Well-known member
Jesus Christ was a humble man who marvelled at the believing of the centurion. He stated that he found no such believing amongst Israel.
Matthew 8
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith [believing], no, not in Israel.
What an incredible believer that centurion must have been!
Does that record tell us if the centurion was an Israelite or a Gentile?
How did Jesus stand up to the religions of his time? By being faithful to God's words and sharing truth with people.
Matthew 8
7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith [believing], no, not in Israel.
What an incredible believer that centurion must have been!
Does that record tell us if the centurion was an Israelite or a Gentile?
How did Jesus stand up to the religions of his time? By being faithful to God's words and sharing truth with people.
WeberHome
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The Watchtower Society's form of theology is called monolatrism, which
basically alleges that all gods are actual deities; though not all deities are
deemed worthy of worship. This is not quite the same as polytheism where
numerous gods are all considered worthy of worship.
Monolatrism is distinguished from monotheism (asserts the existence of only
one god) and distinguished from henotheism (a religious system in which the
believer worships one god alone without denying that others may worship
different gods of equal value)
While traditional Christianity recognizes but two categories of gods; the
Watch Tower Society's theologians took the liberty to create a third category
of gods sandwiched between the true and the false called "mighty ones".
The mighty-one category is a sort of neutral zone where qualifying
personages exist as bona fide deities without violating the very first of the
Ten Commandments. For example:
"I myself have said: You are gods" (Ps 82:6)
The gods referred to in that statement are human beings; which everybody
knows are not true deities; so in order to avoid stigmatizing human beings
as false gods, the Society classifies them as mighty ones.
This gets kind of humorous when we plug "mighty one" into various
locations. For example:
"In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was a mighty one." (John 1:1)
And another.
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten mighty one who is in
the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him." (John
1:18)
The neutral category was an invention of necessity. In other words: without
it, the Society would be forced to classify the Word and the only-begotten as
false gods seeing as how John 17:3, and a host of other passages, testify
that there is only one true god.
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The Watchtower Society's form of theology is called monolatrism, which
basically alleges that all gods are actual deities; though not all deities are
deemed worthy of worship. This is not quite the same as polytheism where
numerous gods are all considered worthy of worship.
Monolatrism is distinguished from monotheism (asserts the existence of only
one god) and distinguished from henotheism (a religious system in which the
believer worships one god alone without denying that others may worship
different gods of equal value)
While traditional Christianity recognizes but two categories of gods; the
Watch Tower Society's theologians took the liberty to create a third category
of gods sandwiched between the true and the false called "mighty ones".
The mighty-one category is a sort of neutral zone where qualifying
personages exist as bona fide deities without violating the very first of the
Ten Commandments. For example:
"I myself have said: You are gods" (Ps 82:6)
The gods referred to in that statement are human beings; which everybody
knows are not true deities; so in order to avoid stigmatizing human beings
as false gods, the Society classifies them as mighty ones.
This gets kind of humorous when we plug "mighty one" into various
locations. For example:
"In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was a mighty one." (John 1:1)
And another.
"No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten mighty one who is in
the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him." (John
1:18)
The neutral category was an invention of necessity. In other words: without
it, the Society would be forced to classify the Word and the only-begotten as
false gods seeing as how John 17:3, and a host of other passages, testify
that there is only one true god.
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Ben Masada
New member
1 - Paul, I can see why for he used Jesus to teach about the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. (Acts 9:20) But Peter and Jesus, I wonder why because they were Jews whose Faith was Judaism.
2 - Nevertheless, Jesus declared loud and clear that he had come to confirm the Law and the Prophets down to the letter.(Mat. 5:17-19) Any one can see that the Hellenist who wrote that gospel was lying.
3 - The Romans crucified Jesus as a result of the acclamation of his disciples that Jesus was king of the Jews. (Luke 19:37-40) Hence, his verdict nailed by Pilate on the top of his cross:INRI.(John 19:19) The Jews in general had absolutely nothing to do with the crucifixion of Jesus.
4 - What a bunch of liars, the Hellenists who wrote the gospels! The truth is rather that the Pharisees themselves tried twice to save Jesus from being arrested and condemned to the cross. If you think I am lying, read Luke 13:31 when the Pharisees saved Jesus from being arrested from Herod and, if you read Luke 19:37-40 the Pharisees tried to save Jesus at the entrance of Jerusalem by asking him to stop his disciples from acclaiming him king of the Jews and he, probably thinking it was too late, said he couldn't. The bottom line is that the accusation that the Jews had any fault in the death of Jesus is purely an anti-Semitic accusation.