Spiritual Israel or Isrealites.

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[meshak]

thank you AMR

 

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[meshak]

And I would like to add poster Northwye's collection of Spiritual Israelites verses.


"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?.........Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect..........But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3: 3, 16-17, 26-29

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9: 6-8

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" Romans 11: 25-26

Christian Zionists, dispensationalists, separation theologians, make up their theology and then go looking through the New Testament trying to find texts which they think support that theology. This is their "Hermeneutic."

But the way the Bible itself says to interpret scripture is in Isaiah 28: 9-10: "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

We are to interpret scripture by putting relevant scripture together. Who Israel is in Romans 11: 26 depends on the scriptures quoted above.

Paul says in Romans 9: 6-8 that the children of the promise are the seed and are Israel, implying also that the elect of God are Israel. We add Galatians 3: 28 and Romans 10: 12 to Romans 9: 6-8 to understand that all the elect of God are one, in unity, not divided by one group from the bloodline and the other in the Church. We have here the answer of who Israel is in Romans 11: 26. There Paul tells us that all who are saved are Israel.
He said in Romans 2: 28-29,

 

[DavidK]

The Israelite's were more earthbound than spiritual. They expected the Old Covenant back and Israel returned to it's former glory which did not last long in the first place.

Sounds like a lot of the Christian church today, looking for political and social victory rather than following Jesus to the cross.

 

[meshak]

Sounds like a lot of the Christian church today, looking for political and social victory rather than following Jesus to the cross.

thank you for your input, brother

 

[Tambora]

Sounds like a lot of the Christian church today, looking for political and social victory rather than following Jesus to the cross.

A lot of Christians believe GOD will keep His promises.
If only all would have such faith in GOD.

 

[Right Divider]

NOBODY can share with shak, she won't allow it. Everybody is wrong to her

She thinks that the only words that Jesus ever gave are in the red letters.

 

[DavidK]

A lot of Christians believe GOD will keep His promises.

One would hope so. The sticky point often is "how does He keep His promises." Christianity's history is chock full of people pursuing worldly strength in His name, proclaiming that He was keeping His promises through them.

This, in spite of Jesus' example.

If only all would have such faith in GOD.

Amen to all coming to faith in Him.

 

[Tambora]

Christianity's history is chock full of people pursuing worldly strength in His name, proclaiming that He was keeping His promises through them.

Probably because GOD promised Israel worldly strength in His name.
And that they (Israel) would dwell safely in the land they used to live in before they were scattered, never to be uprooted again.

And yet we have folks here at TOL denying that GOD will keep His promises.

 

[john w]

. This shows how the Law has been done away with, and the Holy Spirit via Grace has written the Laws on our Hearts.

God Bless

No, it has not. If it was, everyone is saved, and, at the same time, none can know what sin is, and none can be lead to Christ.

 

[john w]

And I would like to add poster Northwye's collection of Spiritual Israelites verses.


"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?.........Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect..........But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3: 3, 16-17, 26-29

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9: 6-8

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" Romans 11: 25-26

Christian Zionists, dispensationalists, separation theologians, make up their theology and then go looking through the New Testament trying to find texts which they think support that theology. This is their "Hermeneutic."

But the way the Bible itself says to interpret scripture is in Isaiah 28: 9-10: "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

We are to interpret scripture by putting relevant scripture together. Who Israel is in Romans 11: 26 depends on the scriptures quoted above.

Paul says in Romans 9: 6-8 that the children of the promise are the seed and are Israel, implying also that the elect of God are Israel. We add Galatians 3: 28 and Romans 10: 12 to Romans 9: 6-8 to understand that all the elect of God are one, in unity, not divided by one group from the bloodline and the other in the Church. We have here the answer of who Israel is in Romans 11: 26. There Paul tells us that all who are saved are Israel.
He said in Romans 2: 28-29,

Made up.
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http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...e-of-Demons!&p=4915745&highlight=#post4915745

 

[john w]

She thinks that the only words that Jesus ever gave are in the red letters.

And those red letters are God the Father's words, as the Saviour only spoke God the Father's words,not his own, as is true of all prophets in the OT/OC, true of the Prophet, the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul speaks the risen,glorified, ascended, seated "Lord from heaven"'s words in this dispensation.

Red is black....black is red....

Hmmmphhh!

 

[Rondonmonson]

Quote Originally Posted by Rondonmonson View Post
. This shows how the Law has been done away with, and the Holy Spirit via Grace has written the Laws on our Hearts.

God Bless
john w.

No, it has not. If it was, everyone is saved, and, at the same time, none can know what sin is, and none can be lead to Christ.

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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{This isn't that difficult to prove. Anyone having difficulties understanding we are under Grace via Faith and not under THE LAW, only need to read Galatians}

 

[meshak]

Your above post does not prove Jesus' word of Spiritual Israelite is wrong.

You are only denying Jesus with your fight against His word.

 

[KingdomRose]

This is a repeat.

 

[KingdomRose]

Your above post does not prove Jesus' word of Spiritual Israelite is wrong.

You are only denying Jesus with your fight against His word.

My goodness, there has been ample evidence dispensed on these threads that SPIRITUAL ISRAEL is now "the chosen 'nation' of God." Yet most everyone absolutely throws out what Jesus said and what he went through at the hands of the religious leaders of Israel who rejected him. How sad! All of these scriptures have been cited and explained:

Matthew 21:43
Matthew 23:37,38
Acts 15:14
Galatians 3:26-29
Galatians 6:14-16
I Peter 2:9,10


Yet no one has bothered to comment on any of these verses. Perhaps it is because they conflict with the man-made idea that Israel is still somehow God's special people. Even though they rejected God's Son and sought to kill him. Amazing.

 

[Bradley D]

"If you love me, keep my commands" (John 14:15). For me many of Jesus' Commandments are in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew chapters 5-7). I read some of them everyday.

 

[Rondonmonson]

Your above post does not prove Jesus' word of Spiritual Israelite is wrong.

You are only denying Jesus with your fight against His word.

You need to follow along more closely sister. I stated the Law has been done away with. john w. said, No it has not. Thus I showed him via Galatians chapter 3 that we are NOT UNDER THE LAW. But under Grace via Faith.

God Bless.

 

[meshak]

You need to follow along more closely sister. I stated the Law has been done away with. john w. said, No it has not. Thus I showed him via Galatians chapter 3 that we are NOT UNDER THE LAW. But under Grace via Faith.

God Bless.

Yes, but the topic is spiritual Israelites.