ECT Seeking list of Hebrews verses from MADs/D'ists that are allowed for Christians

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patrick jane said:
Considering the months that the beetles devoured, it adds up to 1,000 years !!!
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Your answer to this is Christless. Not the way of the NT.

Ever read the end of Rom 11: to whom does God owe anything? Now, he would not say that without first having taught all the glory and riches IN CHRIST about which you are tone deaf.

God fulfilled all promises to the children of Israel by the resurrection of Christ, Acts 13. (You won't see any 2P2P pounding that verse! They might not even know it is there) But the point is CHRIST himself is the fulfillment of the obligation, if you can call it that. That is exactly how it is set up. He is the glory of Israel (Isaiah 42 and Lk 2).

THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is the title of Christ in the new covenant that is now being enjoyed by all who believe. This is not righteousness as in a Davidic theocracy. It is the gift of God to sinners.

STP will never pound on that verse of the New Covenant, neither will RD, GM, Must or Tam. Yet Heb 10:1-18 sets up up perfectly that that is what Christ is. So as with all the old covenant paraphernalia, 'Israel and Judah' mean there is a basis in the new covenant for a split like that to be healed. But not in a literal direction; it applies all over. It already was partly healed in Jesus continuous contact with Samaritans.
 
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patrick jane said:
Considering the months that the beetles devoured, it adds up to 1,000 years !!!
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You are on to a grain of truth there, but you are too literal. That 'long reign of Christ' which is what 1000 years means when the symbol is researched in the Tanach, is running now. The 'restored' years are now IN CHRIST. The same for the 'latter rains' etc and many others. Don't go outside CHRIST.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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You are on to a grain of truth there, but you are too literal. That 'long reign of Christ' which is what 1000 years means when the symbol is researched in the Tanach, is running now. The 'restored' years are now IN CHRIST. The same for the 'latter rains' etc and many others. Don't go outside CHRIST.
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:chuckle:

Made up.

When did God restore the years the locust had eaten?
 
way 2 go

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You are on to a grain of truth there, but you are too literal. That 'long reign of Christ' which is what 1000 years means when the symbol is researched in the Tanach, is running now. The 'restored' years are now IN CHRIST. The same for the 'latter rains' etc and many others. Don't go outside CHRIST.
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Preterism is obviously false

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way 2 go said:
Preterism is obviously false

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You guys have obviously not seen the 'years of the locust' thread. It's pretty embarrassing that you are still concerned.

You (STP) are assuming that it cannot be made up in Christ. Really? How do you know? why does everything that is going to happen have to be just as ordinary as the old covenant, when, if you look around the new covenant, everything is creative, innovative: Christ is the temple destroyed and raised in 3 days; the believers are the living stone temple; Christ is our Passover; there is a circumcision of the heart (oh, what a dirty word: 'of the heart.'); there is another Israel that includes believers from among the nations, etc etc etc.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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You guys have obviously not seen the 'years of the locust' thread. It's pretty embarrassing that you are still concerned.

You (STP) are assuming that it cannot be made up in Christ. Really? How do you know? why does everything that is going to happen have to be just as ordinary as the old covenant, when, if you look around the new covenant, everything is creative, innovative: Christ is the temple destroyed and raised in 3 days; the believers are the living stone temple; Christ is our Passover; there is a circumcision of the heart (oh, what a dirty word: 'of the heart.'); there is another Israel that includes believers from among the nations, etc etc etc.
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You are assuming it cannot be literal.
Why?
 
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SaulToPaul said:
Why can't the land and the years be literal, Lamont?
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1, because the NT never says 'oh, Christ was great, but there's something else for Jews'
2, because locusts don't eat years
3, because you are operating your OT without any reference to what the AAL says.
4, because Christ's passover was not literal. The picture was fulfilled in him. The land picture has been fulfilled. Not as literal land, but in Christ's enthronement, which David was looking for. The purpose it was supposed to show was completed in David's time and is no longer a purpose, Acts 13:34 . All of the prefiguring typology was this way.
5, why would would look for that which David himself was not looking for and which he saw as the enthronement of Christ, Acts 2:30-32?
6, the passages that seem to mention a land promise 'all the nations will be blessed in your seed' don't need the land in the NT to be fulfilled, because it is a thing fulfilled in Christ so that we have (will gain) everything Abraham was to gain--the world to come (Rom 4) which is the NHNE.

You are seeking the wrong land because you don't get Heb 11-13, both explicit and implied declarations.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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1, because the NT never says 'oh, Christ was great, but there's something else for Jews'
2, because locusts don't eat years
3, because you are operating your OT without any reference to what the AAL says.
4, because Christ's passover was not literal. The picture was fulfilled in him. The land picture has been fulfilled. Not as literal land, but in Christ's enthronement, which David was looking for. The purpose it was supposed to show was completed in David's time and is no longer a purpose, Acts 13:34 . All of the prefiguring typology was this way.
5, why would would look for that which David himself was not looking for and which he saw as the enthronement of Christ, Acts 2:30-32?
6, the passages that seem to mention a land promise 'all the nations will be blessed in your seed' don't need the land in the NT to be fulfilled, because it is a thing fulfilled in Christ so that we have (will gain) everything Abraham was to gain--the world to come (Rom 4) which is the NHNE.

You are seeking the wrong land because you don't get Heb 11-13, both explicit and implied declarations.
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Why can't the land and the years be literal, Lamont?
 
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SaulToPaul said:
Why can't the land and the years be literal, Lamont?
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Because God is doing everything in and through Christ. he doesn't deal with 'ethnes' anymore, says Rom 11:30. Why can't you understand and respond to what the 6 propositions there actually say? God is done doing anything direct with any ethne as of 72 AD when 'everything that was written about the wrath upon Israel was completed' Lk 21?

Why is Lk 21 never in your circuit of thought? It is a plain declaration. You are a NT-less thinker. You skip it. You are stuck in Judaica that is Christless; that is why you ignore and blast away at Heb 10, because it ruins your elementary schemes and diagrams and displaces the ethne Israel.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Because God is doing everything in and through Christ. he doesn't deal with 'ethnes' anymore, says Rom 11:30. Why can't you understand and respond to what the 6 propositions there actually say? God is done doing anything direct with any ethne as of 72 AD when 'everything that was written about the wrath upon Israel was completed' Lk 21?

Why is Lk 21 never in your circuit of thought? It is a plain declaration. You are a NT-less thinker. You skip it. You are stuck in Judaica that is Christless; that is why you ignore and blast away at Heb 10, because it ruins your elementary schemes and diagrams and displaces the ethne Israel.
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Why can't the land and the years be literal, Lamont?
 
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SaulToPaul said:
Why can't the land and the years be literal, Lamont?
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You have been given reasons and you are brain dead. With both Lk 21 and I Th 1 saying the whole and final wrath on Israel had been exacted, and God not doing anything with 'ethnes' anymore, there is no place or need for it.

All those elementary stages were to get us to Christ and his mission. Maybe if you worked in that you wouldn't obsess over 'the land' like the AAL itself does not. But I don't think you've moved to the AAL, actually.
 
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You guys just congratulate yourselves on not being able or willing to answer the question of the OP:

what verses in Hebrews are Gentiles allowed to enjoy? This OP has been here for some 2 weeks now.
 
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You guys just congratulate yourselves on not being able or willing to answer the question of the OP:

what verses in Hebrews are Gentiles allowed to enjoy? This OP has been here for some 2 weeks now.
 
john w

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SaulToPaul said:
No, I generally stick with the Nationals and Braves in the NL.
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I am a little prone to be a Mayberry Bears fan, Mayor, as the new coach is a Greek base running expert.Those Greeks shore know how to make good vittles, like gyros. Wonder what causes that?
 
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