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I'm familiar with the council. That still does not tell me what you're talking about.
I'm familiar with the council. That still does not tell me what you're talking about.
I was talking about the First Council of Jerusalem that met to discus circumcision among other old practices from Judaism.
Act 15:19 KJV Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 21:20 KJV And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
Again... WHAT about it?
Did you not notice that the rules did NOT apply equally to everyone?
The same man, James, that made this pronouncement says this later in Acts.
Perhaps you do not understand the purpose of this site.You are just an argumentative sort.
Fake news... lies.... etc. etc. etc.I said "The Jewish converts to the Jesus movement brought with them old ideas from Judaism. They grappled with what to keep and what to discard. The same can be said for the conversion of Greeks and Romans, the brought many of their old ideas to Paul's version of Christianity.
Yes, it is. They are only slightly more Christian than you.The RCC is full of all sorts of old Pagan relics, holidays, tradition's etc."
You proved nothing. As I showed you, the issue was about GENTILES and NOT Jews.You said it was a "ridiculous opinion". I showed you that it was a large issue that occupied the Apostolic Council. But being a quibbler you act like you don't know what I'm talking about.
Another irrelevant comment.Jesus told them before he left ""I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.""
The "kingdom of heaven" is a kingdom on the earth lead by the nation of Israel. I know this will be completely beyond your understanding.
You say lots of stupid things... what did you win?Say stupid things, win stupid prizes.
YOU is PLURAL. The kingdom of God (i.e., The KING Jesus) was in their midst. The kingdom was AT HAND because the KING had come.“The kingdom of God is within you”
It's important to define Christ's religion. It's important to know the salient difference between it and every other religion and activity done by man. My take is that it's the Eucharist, it's Mass. The Apostles chose men for the office of bishop, and their duty was to preside over Mass, and especially over the celebration of the Eucharist. This one activity, where members of the Church gathered together in memory of Jesus, distinguishes His religion from every other. The bishops, chosen by the Apostles, presided over Mass during and after the Apostolic era, and they have been the mark of the Church ever since. Wherever they are they celebrate Mass. Every Sunday. Most other days of the week too, but every Sunday anyway. Sunday Mass has been celebrated since Acts 2:42, and it has never ceased being celebrated.Religions don’t normally live up to the genius of the founder. A gallon cannot fit into a quart. After the genius is gone, in this case (Jesus, the divine son of God) the new religion that develops among subsequent followers and their progeny tend to bring the old ways with them which exerts a modifying influence on the ideals of the founder.
"No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.“
It's important to define Christ's religion. It's important to know the salient difference between it and every other religion and activity done by man. My take is that it's the Eucharist, it's Mass. The Apostles chose men for the office of bishop, and their duty was to preside over Mass, and especially over the celebration of the Eucharist. This one activity, where members of the Church gathered together in memory of Jesus, distinguishes His religion from every other. The bishops, chosen by the Apostles, presided over Mass during and after the Apostolic era, and they have been the mark of the Church ever since. Wherever they are they celebrate Mass. Every Sunday. Most other days of the week too, but every Sunday anyway. Sunday Mass has been celebrated since Acts 2:42, and it has never ceased being celebrated.
You say lots of stupid things... what did you win?
YOU is PLURAL. The kingdom of God (i.e., The KING Jesus) was in their midst. The kingdom was AT HAND because the KING had come.
Jesus taught the restoration of loyalty to the Son and the Father, his Father, our Father.
Hi Oleander,Is the sacrifice system was a command from God or the Jews make it up ?
Is the sacrifice system was a command from God or the Jews make it up ?
Hi Oleander,Is the sacrifice system was a command from God or the Jews make it up ?
Is the sacrifice system was a command from God or the Jews make it up ?
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Yeah, that's not too bad! Of course what you're describing here still exists today, it has persisted throughout all these centuries. Come, to Mass.The original "good news" Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven that people heard and some believed was the Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of ALL mankind, not just an especially chosen few from one nation. That as spirit born sons of God ourselves, salvation is by faith and the responsibility that comes with sonship with God.
The remembrance supper was/is the celebration of the new dispensation of the outpouring of the spirit of the father and son in one grace Gift.
Well, not in Sadler's rendition, but:Blood sacrifices are a part of evolved religion, God never told anyone to kill animals as a substitute for genuine repentance.
Then Hebrews 9:22 "The LAW requires it" Leviticus 5:11 Leviticus 17:11 Ezekiel 43:18Genesis 4:3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell. 6 The Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? 7 If you do well, will you not be accepted?[b] And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to[c] you, but you must rule over it.”
8 Cain spoke to Abel his brother.[d] And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him.
Better than the thoughts of men. You are guilty for using your own values, as poor as they are, without redemption, against a holy God. You are arrogant and audacious and will stand before God. The scripture says 'weeping' and/or 'gnashing of teeth.' "Depart, I never knew you" and in your arrogance, you never once feigned you were beneath a holy God. You are just this willful and ignorantly arrogant. You have nothing to thank God for, except in your head, for putting you on par with Him, as amazing, holy, and wonderful as your drug-addled mind allows you to be.The scriptures are written in "preacher speak", as if God were talking. That's how religions create scripture.
YOU don't. You don't even need it! He came for the unhealthy. You? You raised yourself up by your own petards. John 15:5 "Without Me, you cannot do even one single thing." James 4:Primitive people didn't have a concept of forgiveness like Jesus taught.
Platitude. An assertion you bought and repeat without thinking deeply or well.They attempted to manipulate the Gods in all sorts of ways.
Yes, and you reject the Son. "Kiss the Son lest He be angry." Your lovey dovey God who loves everybody is universal salvation and no individual accountability. Oh, I know Sadler and Kellogg deny that, but it is exactly what it amounts to. Here is the bottom line: You and I don't GET to make up our own truth. You've rejected the Bible in its entirety and bought what two completely forgettable men thought about God with nothing but, by their own words: Lying spirts who purposefully allowed them to produce things that can be later corrected but they knew were wrong, put their stamp of approval on. Your whole house of cards is a lie. I'm just a rock crying in the wilderness. I pray often you will come to a true encounter with the living God. Jesus left the Pharisees where they were, because they were so hard-hearted. Grace to Pharaoh merely hardened his heart. You get hard-hearted more, every time we talk, Caino. You are worse and worse and more and more in need of grace. You have a LOT to be forgiven for! I do too, the difference is I know it. You walk all over God all the time in your arrogance.God is a forgiving Father.
You lack the courage to defend the character of God.Well, not in Sadler's rendition, but:
Then Hebrews 9:22 "The LAW requires it" Leviticus 5:11 Leviticus 17:11 Ezekiel 43:18
So Sadler and Kellogg simply 'assert' sight unseen "God never..." and you buy it hook, line, and sinker. You are a caught fish. When you stand before God, you can assert all you like: He calls the shots. You and I will listen. You nor Sadler are on par with God. You neither Kellogg wrestled with God. You will, and you will stand/fall on your own arrogance and self-will. "Shall a man contend with God?" Answer: Nope. Nice try. Lesson: Don't be arrogant, follow God, not your 'own sensibilities.' Proverbs 3:5,6 My life verse.
Better than the thoughts of men. You are guilty for using your own values, as poor as they are, without redemption, against a holy God. You are arrogant and audacious and will stand before God. The scripture says 'weeping' and/or 'gnashing of teeth.' "Depart, I never knew you" and in your arrogance, you never once feigned you were beneath a holy God. You are just this willful and ignorantly arrogant. You have nothing to thank God for, except in your head, for putting you on par with Him, as amazing, holy, and wonderful as your drug-addled mind allows you to be.
YOU don't. You don't even need it! He came for the unhealthy. You? You raised yourself up by your own petards. John 15:5 "Without Me, you cannot do even one single thing." James 4:
13Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business, and make a profit.” 14You do not even know what will happen tomorrow! What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes.
15Instead, you ought to say, “If the Lord is willing, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast in your proud intentions. All such boasting is evil.
You are that man, Caino. You are exactly this arrogant and haughty.
Platitude. An assertion you bought and repeat without thinking deeply or well.
Yes, and you reject the Son. "Kiss the Son lest He be angry." Your lovey dovey God who loves everybody is universal salvation and no individual accountability. Oh, I know Sadler and Kellogg deny that, but it is exactly what it amounts to. Here is the bottom line: You and I don't GET to make up our own truth. You've rejected the Bible in its entirety and bought what two completely forgettable men thought about God with nothing but, by their own words: Lying spirts who purposefully allowed them to produce things that can be later corrected but they knew were wrong, put their stamp of approval on. Your whole house of cards is a lie. I'm just a rock crying in the wilderness. I pray often you will come to a true encounter with the living God. Jesus left the Pharisees where they were, because they were so hard-hearted. Grace to Pharaoh merely hardened his heart. You get hard-hearted more, every time we talk, Caino. You are worse and worse and more and more in need of grace. You have a LOT to be forgiven for! I do too, the difference is I know it. You walk all over God all the time in your arrogance.
The "character of God" is defined in His BOOK that you so despise.You lack the courage to defend the character of God.
Jesus taught the law, including the sacrifices.In the original Gospel Jesus taught salvation by Faith and forgiveness by receiving it from God the Father, his Father our Father. Of course that angered the lucrative institution of Judaism.
Without the shedding of the blood of the Spotless Lamb of God there is no remission of sins.Please can someone cite from the holy bible where is God, the prophets or Jesus demand that : God, son of God or any human must die for us to be safe?