I feel bad for you... you think that you're a Jew under the law.
Jesus was NOT talking to the body of Christ during His earthly ministry to Israel.
Jesus was talking to all the world, the Jews were false prophets.
I feel bad for you... you think that you're a Jew under the law.
Jesus was NOT talking to the body of Christ during His earthly ministry to Israel.
Jesus was talking to all the world, the Jews were false prophets.
Mat 15:24 KJV But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
What's "still there" isn't Levitical Judaism, the temple's gone, just like Jesus said that it would be. He didn't "leave" anything "to Judaism", He promised that Judaism was going to end, and soon. Within His generation.Same Jesus, he started a new religion and left the Law and Prophets to Judaism. Its still there, the Jews still practice Judaism.
Certainly He made it abundant, whereas before maybe just a sage or prophet here and there experienced the Father in that way. He taught us to pray to Him, giving us a prayer, that we all can pray. That was new. There isn't any such prayer in all the Old Testament, for everyone to address the Father like this.Jesus introduced us to a personal relations to God the Father as faith born children of God.
Christians believe in Christ's Resurrection and that He is the Son of God the Father.This isn't the Christians only part of TOL.
Paul's "personal religious beliefs" include the Gospel of salvation by faith, though.Jesus made the way of salvation more clear. Then came Paul and his compromises with Greek and Roman Pagan ideology. Paul's personal religious beliefs contaminated the original, pre-cross gospel of salvation by faith. It will eventually all get straightened out.
What's "still there" isn't Levitical Judaism, the temple's gone, just like Jesus said that it would be. He didn't "leave" anything "to Judaism", He promised that Judaism was going to end, and soon. Within His generation.
Certainly He made it abundant, whereas before maybe just a sage or prophet here and there experienced the Father in that way. He taught us to pray to Him, giving us a prayer, that we all can pray. That was new. There isn't any such prayer in all the Old Testament, for everyone to address the Father like this.
Christians believe in Christ's Resurrection and that He is the Son of God the Father.
Paul's "personal religious beliefs" include the Gospel of salvation by faith, though.
Wrong.What's "still there" isn't Levitical Judaism, the temple's gone, just like Jesus said that it would be. He didn't "leave" anything "to Judaism", He promised that Judaism was going to end, and soon. Within His generation.
Why do you try to take what belongs to Israel?Certainly He made it abundant, whereas before maybe just a sage or prophet here and there experienced the Father in that way. He taught us to pray to Him, giving us a prayer, that we all can pray. That was new. There isn't any such prayer in all the Old Testament, for everyone to address the Father like this.
Paul was given a dispensation of the gospel. It is NOT what Christ taught during His earthly ministry to Israel.Christians believe in Christ's Resurrection and that He is the Son of God the Father.
Paul's "personal religious beliefs" include the Gospel of salvation by faith, though.
Rom 15:8 KJV Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Sheer speculation that opposes what Christ did through Paul.Paul, who went his own way, saw the core of the Jesus story as being the cross, “Christ and him crucified” as an atoning sacrifice for the sins world. That’s the theory he added to the pre-cross gospel that was already sufficient to salvation.
Sheer speculation that opposes what Christ did through Paul.
Jesus called Paul.
Caino, the blasphemer.
Jesus does NOT appear to billions. He APPEARED to Paul.Jesus calls a lot of people, billions!
You love fairy tales. No wonder you love the UB.Paul just happen to be the first great charismatic evangelist whose teaching to the Gentile world drastically influenced the religion about Jesus that grew up after he left.
:duh:BTW, the second coming hasn't happened yet.
Paul never knew Jesus during His EARTHLY ministry to Israel. Paul knew Jesus far better than you AFTER His resurrection and ascension.Paul, who never knew Jesus, was never chosen as an apostle by Jesus when on earth.
Hogwash. You just keep making things up to suit yourself.Paul went off to Arabia for 3 years and developed his own ideas.
Christ gave Paul instructions. That you reject Christ through Paul is your own personal problem.The church made Paul's words equal to Christs! I don't buy it.
More hogwash.Blasphemy was invented by the priest class to control people who disagree with their schemes.
You just love being wrong and telling fairy stories.The kind of men who rejected Jesus and had him killed, the same kind of people who wrote the OT, accused the Son of God with blasphemy simply because he spoke the truth to them.
Jesus does NOT appear to billions. He APPEARED to Paul.
You love fairy tales. No wonder you love the UB.
:duh:
The "second coming" refers to Jesus' setting FOOT back on earth in a physical body.
Paul never knew Jesus during His EARTHLY ministry to Israel. Paul knew Jesus far better than you AFTER His resurrection and ascension.
Hogwash. You just keep making things up to suit yourself.
Christ gave Paul instructions. That you reject Christ through Paul is your own personal problem.
More hogwash.
You just love being wrong and telling fairy stories.
I said Levitical Judaism. Liturgy centered around the temple. Which was destroyed within a generation of when Christ said it would be.Wrong.
Please document this "Judaism was going to end" from the scripture.
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" isn't about forgiving the eternal punishments for our sins, but the temporal ones. It is the only way, in any soteriology or hamartiology, whether Catholic or Dispensational, that this petition makes any sense, because otherwise in the wrong reading of it, men are capable of forgiving the eternal punishments of other men's sins. That's never been the case, and it isn't the case today.Why do you try to take what belongs to Israel?
If you're talking about the so-called "Lord's prayer"... that is completely inappropriate for anyone in THIS current dispensation to pray.
This is not appropriate: "Mat 6:12 KJV And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."
This IS appropriate: "Col 3:13 KJV Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
There are all kinds of allusions and references in the Gospel accounts, to what Paul wrote about in his epistles.Paul was given a dispensation of the gospel. It is NOT what Christ taught during His earthly ministry to Israel.
You cannot understand the various administrations of God.Jesus sent the the remaining apostles to carry the Gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven to the 4 corners of the earth without a Paul franchisee. The claim that you go through Paul is your problem.
1Co 12:5 KJV And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
Gal 2:9 KJV And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
A temporary situation.I said Levitical Judaism. Liturgy centered around the temple. Which was destroyed within a generation of when Christ said it would be.
"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" isn't about forgiving the eternal punishments for our sins, but the temporal ones.
That sound pretty bad.Mat 6:15 KJV But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
If you would rightly divide the Word of truth you could understand that passage in its proper context.It is the only way, in any soteriology or hamartiology, whether Catholic or Dispensational, that this petition makes any sense, because otherwise in the wrong reading of it, men are capable of forgiving the eternal punishments of other men's sins. That's never been the case, and it isn't the case today.
Wrong... only if you FORCE them to "be the same".There are all kinds of allusions and references in the Gospel accounts, to what Paul wrote about in his epistles.
You cannot understand the various administrations of God.
The twelve were sent "to all the world" and YET they never left Jerusalem. There was a valid reason for that that you cannot understand because to do not rightly divide.
The twelve were sent "to all the world" and YET they agreed to restrict their ministry to ONLY the circumcision.
I was not saying that they never ever left Jerusalem.You are misinformed, the apostles did leave Jerusalem.
Act 8:1 KJV And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.
I was not saying that they never ever left Jerusalem.
I was saying that, during the time in question, they stayed in Jerusalem while Paul was preaching everywhere.
Why did these twelve, with what you seem to believe was a universal message, agree to RESTRICT their ministry to the circumcision?
You just keep spouting your ridiculous opinions.The Jewish converts to the Jesus movement brought with them old ideas from Judaism.
Paul does NOT have a "version of Christianity". Paul speaks Christs words.They grappled with what to keep and what to discard. The same can be said for the conversion of Greeks and Romans, the brought many of their old ideas to Paul's version of Christianity.
Yes, but irrelevant.The RCC is full of all sorts of old Pagan relics, holidays, tradition's etc.
You just keep spouting your ridiculous opinions.
It would be great if you gave us a hint at what you're talking about.The first Council of Jerusalem or Apostolic Council met not long after Jesus returned to heaven to discus circumcision's as well as other issues.
If I were wrong, you might have a point... but I'm not; so you don't.You are overly dramatic when wrong.
It would be great if you gave us a hint at what you're talking about.
If I were wrong, you might have a point... but I'm not; so you don't.