REPORT: God's plan of salvation

[TimLutz]

God cannot be offended. Who are we to offend God. Any reference in the Scriptures to offenses against God is only from the pious point of view to enhance homage to God's Law. Hence what Jesus implied when one comes to the Temple to plead for forgiveness. He said to stop every thing and go get forgiveness first from whom we have offended. Otherwise, God won't even listen to your prayer. (Mat. 5:23,24)

Still many problems with depending upon this.
If the person will not forgive. Then have you done enough? And could it happen that they are just saying you are forgiven to get you out of their face. Guess it would put you in the same boat as another legalistic religion, Islam. Where even Mohammed said he could not know his final destination.

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[Ben Masada]

It appears that you have a reading comprehension problem. God is obviously offended when we sin against Him and break His commandments. Here's another passage for you:

Exodus 20:3-5 KJV Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Pious references to enhance the power of religion. Jealousy and hatred are emotions. One needs to be corporeal to exercise emotions. This of fighting back if one deserts the club is not of God but of man. God is so much higher than that! According to the great Philosopher Spinoza, this is no different from bringing God down to the level of man.

 

[Ben Masada]

Still many problems with depending upon this. If the person will not forgive. Then have you done enough? And could it happen that they are just saying you are forgiven to get you out of their face. Guess it would put you in the same boat as another legalistic religion, Islam. Where even Mohammed said he could not know his final destination.

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Usually, the denial of forgiveness is related to restitution involved in the offense. So, we have no option but to return what we owe. Hard but that's the way to get forgiveness if we want to be forgiven.

 

[journey]

Pious references to enhance the power of religion. Jealousy and hatred are emotions. One needs to be corporeal to exercise emotions. This of fighting back if one deserts the club is not of God but of man. God is so much higher than that! According to the great Philosopher Spinoza, this is no different from bringing God down to the level of man.

More baloney. I suspect that you'll learn something about God's righteous and holy wrath some day, but it will be too late for you.

 

[TimLutz]

Usually, the denial of forgiveness is related to restitution involved in the offense. So, we have no option but to return what we owe. Hard but that's the way to get forgiveness if we want to be forgiven.

Really are surprised on your pick choose of scriptures. The New Testament works for you as long as it is not Paul. And much of the Old Testament is also written off. Was shocked to see you pull from Isaiah. Since that is know for all it's references to the Messiah. And is know as the fifth gospel. Sin debt to God is tossed out. And you claim that you do not live by faith in God since you cannot prove Him. And Grace is part of God's abundant daily gifts to us. Where we do not own our next breath. Seems you found your comfort zone. Just how many have found your way?

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[bsmitts]

The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

Thank you sir. This is very kind of you to put this here

 

[Ben Masada]

Really are surprised on your pick choose of scriptures. The New Testament works for you as long as it is not Paul. And much of the Old Testament is also written off. Was shocked to see you pull from Isaiah. Since that is know for all it's references to the Messiah. And is know as the fifth gospel. Sin debt to God is tossed out. And you claim that you do not live by faith in God since you cannot prove Him. And Grace is part of God's abundant daily gifts to us. Where we do not own our next breath. Seems you found your comfort zone. Just how many have found your way?

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Eleven that I know of; that I don't, God does. Eleven souls have embraced Judaism as a result of my works in the name of the Lord.

Indeed, 80% of the NT is written off because it is composed of anti-Jewish interpolations to promote the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology. However, 20% of the NT either from Jesus or about him is indeed worth learning something from. Perhaps because Jesus was a honorable Jew whose Faith was Judaism which was the gospel he preached. (Mat. 5:17-19)

I can prove God but by Logic if you want but not by faith. Nothing can be proved by faith. Only death can be proved as a result of being faithful. Have you forgotten what happened to the faithful of Jim Jones? Almost a thousand got killed for walking by faith and not by sight. (II Cor. 5:7)

 

[Yishae]

I liked this

 

[Ben Masada]

I liked this

I am surprised. As a Christian, I thought you would stand against this. Five of them were from the Seventh-Day Adventist church.

 

[Yishae]

I am surprised. As a Christian, I thought you would stand against this. Five of them were from the Seventh-Day Adventist church.

Okay?

 

[Ben Masada]

Okay?

To me yes, more than okay. I didn't expect it would be okay with you.

 

[Yishae]

To me yes, more than okay. I didn't expect it would be okay with you.

okay.

 

[Ben Masada]

Really are surprised on your pick choose of scriptures.

If one is able to do that, it is evidence that the NT contradicts itself in many places. No wonder there are so many different branches of Christians.

The New Testament works for you as long as it is not Paul.

20% of it there is, probably because they missed a few Jewish items to write them off at the end of the canon process.

And much of the Old Testament is also written off.

I don't think so. Probably you don't understand metaphorical language and get the impression that some thing has been written off.

Was shocked to see you pull from Isaiah. Since that is know for all it's references to the Messiah. And is know as the fifth gospel.

As a matter of fact Isaiah refers to the Messiah but the Suffering Servant identified as Israel if you read Isaiah 41:8,9; 44:1,2,21.

Sin debt to God is tossed out. And you claim that you do not live by faith in God since you cannot prove Him.

I live by the knowledge of God since I can prove Him; and mind you, by means of the concepts of Logic and Causality.

And Grace is part of God's abundant daily gifts to us.

You can say that again. With life and all that comes along. No wonder Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews. From the Jews, he said, and not from one among the Jews. (John 4:22)

Where we do not own our next breath. Seems you found your comfort zone. Just how many have found your way?

Eleven that I am aware of. That I don't know, God does.

 

[Omniskeptical]

No wonder Jesus said that salvation comes from the Jews. From the Jews, he said, and not from one among the Jews.

The salvation was from the Judai. But also from God.

 

[Ben Masada]

The salvation was from the Judai. But also from God.

Yes, from God through the Jews. That's what Jesus meant. (John 4:22) Israel was created to serve as the pledge to guarantee God's promise of universal salvation to Noah. (Gen. 8:21,22)

 

[beloved57]

Yes, from God through the Jews. That's what Jesus meant. (John 4:22) Israel was created to serve as the pledge to guarantee God's promise of universal salvation to Noah. (Gen. 8:21,22)

national Israel Abrahams physical descendants of the flesh are not the Children of God Israel Rom 9:8 !

 

[Ben Masada]

God's Plan of Salvation.

God's Plan of Salvation.

God's plan of salvation was for universal salvation from universal catastrophes. God's plan of personal salvation has been all along in the Tanach reported by Isaiah 1:18,19 where it says that to set things right with God so that our sins from scarlet red become as white as snow, all we need to do is to repent and return to the obedience of God's Law that Jesus came to confirm down to the letter. (Mat. 5:17-19)

 

[Aimiel]

God's plan of salvation was for universal salvation from universal catastrophes. God's plan of personal salvation has been all along in the Tanach reported by Isaiah 1:18,19 where it says that to set things right with God so that our sins from scarlet red become as white as snow, all we need to do is to repent and return to the obedience of God's Law that Jesus came to confirm down to the letter. (Mat. 5:17-19)

We need help though, since the wages of sin is death. That sentence has not been revoked unless we have died to pay it. Being Christian means that we have been crucified for our sins and paid the debt we owed and are alive forevermore in Christ. Without His Blood there is no forgiveness for sin.

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

 

[Aimiel]

The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

Amen. :thumb:

 

[beloved57]

The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

This is salvation by works by what a man does!