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It doesn't work like that, faither!

You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.

Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.

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Fact 9

The definition of pisteuo from the Strongs expanded edition . This edition cross references from the standard dictionarys such as That's , and Brown-Driver-Briggs .

Strongs :
" Pisteuo means not just to believe, but also to be persuaded of , and hence , to place confidence in , to trust , and signifies , in this sense of the word , reliance upon , not mere credence , hence it is translated , " commit unto , commit to ones trust , be committed unto ."

The definition of pisteuo from the Vines .

" A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender "

The definition of the word " believe " .

" All this stands in contrast to BELIEF in its purely natural exercise , which consists of an opinion held in good faith without necessary reference to it's proof ."

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I'm setting the stage for how true NT Faith and faithing are applied . This understanding took over 33 years to put together , I hold this information to be of more value than anything I possess .

I need to make sure I explain how NT Pisteuo is meant to be fulfilled , before I can show how it's fulfilled .

If you have a question or disagreement about one of the facts I'm presenting , speak up , but don't waste your time saying the facts don't exist, or you can't find them , because they do .
 

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It doesn't work like that, faither!

You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.

Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.

Clete

Faither basically keeps posting the same things over and over again. He's a 'one-trick-pony' in my opinion. He needs to post about other things, besides, the same old: "Words in the Bible are MISTRANSLATED."
 

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I'm setting the stage for how true NT Faith and faithing are applied . This understanding took over 33 years to put together

There is really nothing new under the sun (Ecc. 1:9).

As soon as someone comes along with a claim that everyone got it wrong and "I have it right", the discerning should be very suspect and think carefully before jumping on this person's bandwagon.

Yes, sometimes "counting theological noses" may lead us into the weeds. But this is actually a rarity, not the norm. In advance of a claim about "counting noses" along these lines, in hopes of dismissing my assertion above, you will only compound your error. This is why words like "orthodoxy" and "heterodoxy" exist and are proper classifications of theological views. Unfortunately not a few are overcome by the temptation of being in the minority. It tickles our "itching ears" and appeals to our human notions of being Captains of Our Own Destiny.

The plain facts are that the entire premise of your frequent assertions is that the translations have it all wrong. This, despite a few thousand years of examination, critique, and argumentation by those that have come before us, including the church militant. Apparently those saints who have preceded us were not as endued with the illumination of Holy Spirit as you are now. This is manifest chronological snobbery. Your fifteen minutes are up.

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I started this thread because one person had shown a small amount of interest in the facts I talked about . That person has since lost interest , and I don't see anyone with any desire to know Christ better . So unless one person comes forward with a true desire , and position themselves to know Him better , I'll stop here .
 

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Even you AMR , misrepresentation and name-calling ? I had hoped you were weaker than that .

He has actually made something of an argument that you have consistently ignored.

And what I'm not interested in is spending 6 weeks getting to the punch line.

I think you're a troll and I won't let you waste my time. If you want to present your position then do so in a single post and, if it warrants a response, I'll respond to it directly and as substantively as anyone you will ever interact with on this website. But, once again, I will not allow you to waste my time. If you want to be a troll, then continue on the course your on and I'll put you on ignore and not lose a wink of sleep over it.

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Even you AMR , misrepresentation and name-calling ? I had hoped you were weaker than that .
Huh?

Implying you are misinformed and practicing chronological snobbery is not name-calling at all.

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He has actually made something of an argument that you have consistently ignored.

And what I'm not interested in is spending 6 weeks getting to the punch line.

I think you're a troll and I won't let you waste my time. If you want to present your position then do so in a single post and, if it warrants a response, I'll respond to it directly and as substantively as anyone you will ever interact with on this website. But, once again, I will not allow you to waste my time. If you want to be a troll, then continue on the course your on and I'll put you on ignore and not lose a wink of sleep over it.

Clete

I second that. He is a Troll.
 

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I started this thread because one person had shown a small amount of interest in the facts I talked about . That person has since lost interest , and I don't see anyone with any desire to know Christ better . So unless one person comes forward with a true desire , and position themselves to know Him better , I'll stop here .

The BEST idea you've had yet. All you do is fuss around with one or two Greek words and try to MAKE posters believe that certain words in the Bible were mistranslated. Why not get a life beyond those two words?
 

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Huh?

Implying you are misinformed and practicing chronological snobbery is not name-calling at all.

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I presented 9 facts . Facts that if you could would have replied with a valid disagreement . You couldn't , so you resort to misrepresentation and name-calling . Claim it AMR .

None of the facts I presented are my opinions , but easily verifiable words and thier correct definitions . Your only argument is the Strongs is a commentary and is not reliable ? If that's true your correct assumption should be that Strongs is misinformed , not me .

What facts did you conclude I was misinformed and a chronological snob ?
 
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I presented 9 facts . Facts that if you could would have replied with a valid disagreement . You couldn't , so you resort to misrepresentation and name-calling . Claim it AMR .

None of the facts I presented are my opinions , but easily verifiable words and thier correct definitions . Your only argument is the Strongs is a commentary and is not reliable ? If that's true your correct assumption should be that Strongs is misinformed , not me .

What facts did you come to the conclusion I was misinformed and a chronological snob ?

The facts you present, if in fact they are accurate, do not add up to what it seems like you're getting at. But then again, no one really knows what you're getting at because you won't tell anyone!
 

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Keeping in mind that pisteuo is the corresponding verb to our noun " Faith " , the word "believe " is not the corresponding verb to the noun Faith , but the corresponding verb to the noun " belief ."

Any disagreement ?

It seems to me that you're making a distinction where one isn't necessary.

The classic English Bible, the KJV, is basically Anglo-Saxon in vocabulary and completely so in structure. But the 1611 translators were not afraid to use some choice Latin-type words, especially in the theological texts: justification, salvation, faith, cross, glory, and propitiation, to name a few.

But this dual origin of English vocabulary occasionally poses a problem. Oddly enough, the most important Gospel word-family in the Greek NT is obscured in English. This is because we translate the Greek verb pisteuo by the Anglo-Saxon word believe, and the related noun pistis by the totally unrelated word faith (from the Latin fides, by way of French).

At least partly due to this lack of similarity, many preachers who are weak on grace are able to maintain that the Greek lying behind one or both of the English words includes a whole possible agenda of works, such as commitment, repentance, perseverance, etc.

Actually, believe and faith, as the Greek shows, are just the verb and the noun for a concept that is really no different in English than in Greek. That concept is taking people at their word, trusting that what they say is true.

{From https://faithalone.org/magazine/y1991/91june1.html }

If the distinction is necessary, then John is missing a whole chunk of the gospel (not once do you find pisteuo in his gospel and only once in his epistles -- I John 5:4). Either faith is an important aspect (that John overlooks) or the one (our "faith") can easily and rightly imply the other ("believe") and vice versa.
 

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The facts you present, if in fact they are accurate, do not add up to what it seems like you're getting at. But then again, no one really knows what you're getting at because you won't tell anyone!

Clete , my task here is to try and show , by facts not my opinion what Faith and faithing are . Then
show how faithing is applied .I have a detailed presentation to share . But it won't be done in one post , and I'm not going to share something this valuable to people who don't want it , or at least hear it out .

This is extremely easy to do , but very difficult to explain . Each fact I'm presenting is an important piece of the understanding , so it's a necessary part of where this was going .

I still haven't heard from anyone who is still interested . So are we done ?
 
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Clete , my task here is to try and show , by facts not my opinion what Faith and faithing are . Then
show how faithing is applied .I have a detailed presentation to share . But it won't be done in one post , and I'm not going to share something this valuable to people who don't want it , or at least hear it out .

This is extremely easy to do , but very difficult to explain . Each fact I'm presenting is an important piece of the understanding , so it's a necessary part of where is was going .

I still haven't heard from anyone who is still interested . So are we done ?

Hopefully, you're done and willing to move on to something else that's just as vague.
 
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