It doesn't work like that, faither!
You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.
Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.
Clete
Bye !
It doesn't work like that, faither!
You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.
Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.
Clete
It doesn't work like that, faither!
You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.
Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.
Clete
It doesn't work like that, faither!
You're making arguments by implication and I can't read your mind.
Make the whole argument in one post and I'll respond to it. Otherwise, I'll let you waste someone else's time.
Clete
I'm setting the stage for how true NT Faith and faithing are applied . This understanding took over 33 years to put together
Even you AMR , misrepresentation and name-calling ? I had hoped you were weaker than that .
Huh?Even you AMR , misrepresentation and name-calling ? I had hoped you were weaker than that .
He has actually made something of an argument that you have consistently ignored.
And what I'm not interested in is spending 6 weeks getting to the punch line.
I think you're a troll and I won't let you waste my time. If you want to present your position then do so in a single post and, if it warrants a response, I'll respond to it directly and as substantively as anyone you will ever interact with on this website. But, once again, I will not allow you to waste my time. If you want to be a troll, then continue on the course your on and I'll put you on ignore and not lose a wink of sleep over it.
Clete
I started this thread because one person had shown a small amount of interest in the facts I talked about . That person has since lost interest , and I don't see anyone with any desire to know Christ better . So unless one person comes forward with a true desire , and position themselves to know Him better , I'll stop here .
Huh?
Implying you are misinformed and practicing chronological snobbery is not name-calling at all.
AMR
I presented 9 facts . Facts that if you could would have replied with a valid disagreement . You couldn't , so you resort to misrepresentation and name-calling . Claim it AMR .
None of the facts I presented are my opinions , but easily verifiable words and thier correct definitions . Your only argument is the Strongs is a commentary and is not reliable ? If that's true your correct assumption should be that Strongs is misinformed , not me .
What facts did you come to the conclusion I was misinformed and a chronological snob ?
Fact 8
Keeping in mind that pisteuo is the corresponding verb to our noun " Faith " , the word "believe " is not the corresponding verb to the noun Faith , but the corresponding verb to the noun " belief ."
Any disagreement ?
The classic English Bible, the KJV, is basically Anglo-Saxon in vocabulary and completely so in structure. But the 1611 translators were not afraid to use some choice Latin-type words, especially in the theological texts: justification, salvation, faith, cross, glory, and propitiation, to name a few.
But this dual origin of English vocabulary occasionally poses a problem. Oddly enough, the most important Gospel word-family in the Greek NT is obscured in English. This is because we translate the Greek verb pisteuo by the Anglo-Saxon word believe, and the related noun pistis by the totally unrelated word faith (from the Latin fides, by way of French).
At least partly due to this lack of similarity, many preachers who are weak on grace are able to maintain that the Greek lying behind one or both of the English words includes a whole possible agenda of works, such as commitment, repentance, perseverance, etc.
Actually, believe and faith, as the Greek shows, are just the verb and the noun for a concept that is really no different in English than in Greek. That concept is taking people at their word, trusting that what they say is true.
The facts you present, if in fact they are accurate, do not add up to what it seems like you're getting at. But then again, no one really knows what you're getting at because you won't tell anyone!
Clete , my task here is to try and show , by facts not my opinion what Faith and faithing are . Then
show how faithing is applied .I have a detailed presentation to share . But it won't be done in one post , and I'm not going to share something this valuable to people who don't want it , or at least hear it out .
This is extremely easy to do , but very difficult to explain . Each fact I'm presenting is an important piece of the understanding , so it's a necessary part of where is was going .
I still haven't heard from anyone who is still interested . So are we done ?
Hopefully, you're done and willing to move on to something else that's just as vague.