Reconciliation is not Salvation

[heir]

Yes, PTL! God was in Christ, reconciling the world (including us Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them!

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

World reconciliation happened then, but never universal salvation!

No one is saved today unless and until they have had a moment in their life when they trusted the Lord believing the work that was accomplished that day as all sufficient to save them, and that is: that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). It's called the gospel of Christ and IT is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV, no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but to all men 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). That is the word of reconciliation. Are you saved?

 

[Robert Pate]

Yes, PTL! God was in Christ, reconciling the world (including us Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them!

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

World reconciliation happened then, but never universal salvation!

No one is saved today unless and until they have had a moment in their life when they trusted the Lord believing the work that was accomplished that day as all sufficient to save them, and that is: that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). It's called the gospel of Christ and IT is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV, no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but to all men 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). That is the word of reconciliation. Are you saved?

If Jesus had not reconciled us and the world unto God no one could be saved.

Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus it is now possible for... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord to be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

[heir]

If Jesus had not reconciled us and the world unto God no one could be saved.

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You miss the point of the OP. Some believe that reconciliation means that we are saved, but no one is saved today unless and until they have had a moment in their life when they trusted the Lord believing the work that was accomplished that day as all sufficient to save them, and that is: that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). It's called the gospel of Christ and IT is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV, no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but to all men 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). That is the word of reconciliation.

Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus it is now possible for... "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord to be saved" Romans 10:13

Let's leave Romans 10 out of this as the gospel of Christ is not in view there and it the gospel of Christ that is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believteth (Romans 1:16 KJV). We are fellowheirs and of the same Body and partakers of Christ by the gospel (Ephesians 3:6 KJV). No trusting the Lord believing 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV= no salvation.

 

[john w]

Doctrinal point:

Romans 5 KJV

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

His death reconciles us; however, His resurrected life, trusting the resurrection, saves us.

 

[heir]

Doctrinal point:

Romans 5 KJV

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

His death reconciles us; however, His resurrected life, trusting the resurrection, saves us.

:up:

excellent!

 

[Prizebeatz1]

None of it makes sense because it is a misunderstanding. The story of Jesus is an allegory for the soul. It is not a literal interpretation. This is not the first time that popular conception has been misled by the so called authorities. Remember Galileo? They used to think the earth was flat too. They've made a mistake. Again. Some of us are not willing to just believe what everyone else believes because we don't want to find out the answers for ourselves. The unconscious fear is that we are not good enough to find out for ourselves. This is subliminally reinforced in the traditional interpretation because we have to assume we are worthless. Don't buy it.

 

[glorydaz]

None of it makes sense because it is a misunderstanding. The story of Jesus is an allegory for the soul. It is not a literal interpretation. This is not the first time that popular conception has been misled by the so called authorities. Remember Galileo? They used to think the earth was flat too. They've made a mistake. Again.

It never makes sense to a natural man of the flesh. They always try to come up with something...like an "allegory" or "story". I see you have rightly called yourself "other". :think:

 

[Prizebeatz1]

It never makes sense to a natural man of the flesh. They always try to come up with something...like an "allegory" or "story". I see you have rightly called yourself "other". :think:

Why pretend? It doesn't matter what kind of labels you want to use nor does it matter how many try to gang up on me. It's not going to change the fact that the interpretation misses the point by a wide margin and the whole system needs to be revamped.

 

[The Berean]

None of it makes sense because it is a misunderstanding. The story of Jesus is an allegory for the soul. It is not a literal interpretation.

So Jesus Christ was never a historical person? :idunno:

This is not the first time that popular conception has been misled by the so called authorities. Remember Galileo? They used to think the earth was flat too. They've made a mistake.

Who is "they"? What happened to Galileo has NOTHING to do with the idea tha the earth was flat. Almost everyone who lived in Galileo's time knew the Earth was not flat. The idea that the Earth was a sphere predates Galileo was many centuries. Galileo was involved in sereval scientific contoversies throughout his life. Which one are you referring to?

Again. Some of us are not willing to just believe what everyone else believes because we don't want to find out the answers for ourselves. The unconscious fear is that we are not good enough to find out for ourselves. This is subliminally reinforced in the traditional interpretation because we have to assume we are worthless. Don't buy it.

Then what do you believe then? :idunno:

 

[john w]

None of it makes sense because it is a misunderstanding. The story of Jesus is an allegory for the soul. It is not a literal interpretation. This is not the first time that popular conception has been misled by the so called authorities. Remember Galileo? They used to think the earth was flat too. They've made a mistake. Again. Some of us are not willing to just believe what everyone else believes because we don't want to find out the answers for ourselves. The unconscious fear is that we are not good enough to find out for ourselves. This is subliminally reinforced in the traditional interpretation because we have to assume we are worthless. Don't buy it.

Prove that you are "literal," and not an allegory.

Whose interpretation is correct? Yours? Why should we believe an allegory, such as you?


You are dismissed, Sgt. Schultz.

 

[heir]

None of it makes sense because it is a misunderstanding.

It's not a misunderstanding nor a problem of understanding. It's an issue of belief. It's a faith issue. You either believe it or believe not. You are either saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 2:4-9 KJV) or lost (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV). And clearly, you are lost (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV).

 

[heir]

For my self I believe in more than just the blood which is different from many people on this forum.

It's not "just the blood", but "by the blood" that we (the "ye" of the passage) who sometimes were far off are made nigh by (Ephesians 2:13 KJV). It wasn't known back there in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, but was a mystery/not made known unto the sons of men/unsearchable/hid in God (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV). 2 Corinthians 5:19-21 KJV is the due time (1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV) bridge that we had any hope at all (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV). Now, we too can trust the Lord believing the good news of Christ and are fellowheirs and of the same Body and partakers of God's promise in Christ by the gospel (1 Corinthians 15"1-4 KJV), nothing less, nothing more.

 

[heir]

Is it safe to say you're not a Christian? I am only asking because it seems you understand that there are good messages in the bible, moral even, but it's something to think on rather than to believe in a deity.

I may be completely off base of course

If he doesn't believe that what happened 2000 years ago in his place really happened (which it appears he doesn't) then he can't be saved.

 

[john w]

So Jesus Christ was never a historical person?

Yes, TB, I would challenge this Prizebeatz1 gainsayer, to "stack up" the evidence of his existence, vs. the Lord Jesus Christ's.


I would also ask him to prove that George Washington was literal, existed.

 

[oatmeal]

Yes, PTL! God was in Christ, reconciling the world (including us Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them!

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

World reconciliation happened then, but never universal salvation!

No one is saved today unless and until they have had a moment in their life when they trusted the Lord believing the work that was accomplished that day as all sufficient to save them, and that is: that Christ died for our sins and that He was buried and rose again the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). It's called the gospel of Christ and IT is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV, no longer to the Jew first and also to the Greek, but to all men 1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJV). That is the word of reconciliation. Are you saved?

Yes, indeed.

Reconciliation is reconciliation.

Salvation is salvation.

Things that are different are not the same.

They maybe related, but related does not mean the same

 

[glorydaz]

Why pretend? It doesn't matter what kind of labels you want to use nor does it matter how many try to gang up on me. It's not going to change the fact that the interpretation misses the point by a wide margin and the whole system needs to be revamped.

Nonsense. No interpretation is necessary....scripture says what it means and means what it says. You can read it and believe it or reject it and remain an unbeliever. Your choice.

 

[Robert Pate]

There is the work of Christ that includes, justification, sanctification, redemption, which is the Gospel, that all lead to our reconciliation. We are reconciled to God by the doing and the dying of Jesus. We have nothing to do with that. It is a past historical event.

It is our responce to what Christ has done for us that brings about our salvation.

Faith makes what Jesus has done for us ours.

 

[john w]

There is the work of Christ that includes, justification, sanctification, redemption, which is the Gospel, that all lead to our reconciliation.

Mumbo jumbo that "justification, sanctification, redemption,.. all lead to our reconciliation"-you winged that.

Quit "muddying the waters," and stick to the details of the book. We are reconciled by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, but no scripture, says , what you posted above. Reconciliation is a "pre-req" to our salvation/justification-but it is not the result.

 

[Robert Pate]

Mumbo jumbo that "justification, sanctification, redemption,.. all lead to our reconciliation"-you winged that.

Quit "muddying the waters," and stick to the details of the book. We are reconciled by the death of the Lord Jesus Christ, but no scripture, says , what you posted above. Reconciliation is a "pre-req" to our salvation/justification-but it is not the result.

We are as much reconciled to God by the life of Christ as we are his death. If Jesus had not fulfilled God's Holy Law there would be NO reconciliation.

It took all of what Christ did to reconcile us to God, not just his death.

 

[john w]

We are as much reconciled to God by the life of Christ as we are his death. If Jesus had not fulfilled God's Holy Law there would be NO reconciliation.

It took all of what Christ did to reconcile us to God, not just his death.

You missed it, haphazardly asserting that "justification, sanctification, redemption,.. all lead to our reconciliation"-you winged that.

"We are as much reconciled to God by the life of Christ as we are his death."-you

You winged that also. We are saved by the resurected life of the Lord Jesus Christ. No scripture says that "We are as much reconciled to God by the life of Christ."

Stop winging it-pay attention to the details of the book. Not many lost people will give you much credibility, if you continue your misstatements. Knock it off-it's not necessary.