beloved57
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Ok, since you refuse to answer my question with a simple yes or no as I have asked you a few times now, we will get back to this a littel later when you can understand the question better !
Reconciliation Cancels Out the Doctrine of Predestination
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Ok, since you refuse to answer my question with a simple yes or no as I have asked you a few times now, we will get back to this a littel later when you can understand the question better !
The questions you are asking are not going to work because they are out of order.
Like love. You don't know who God will save. So don't tell me that you love them. The bible says to love the brotherhood. And he that doesn't love the brotherhood is anti-Christ.
You don't love the brotherhood because of the questions you asking.
We don't have to give real answers to anti-Christ. The anti-Christ can walk around in circles until he turns blue.
Shasta
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For someone who always accuses others of evading the issues you completely evaded the scripture I brought up so I will put it to you again:
You have said true believers are already reconciled to God before their conversion to Christ. This is manifestly unscriptural. Paul says:
21 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, (Colossians 1:21)
"FORMERLY" means that this is the way the Colossians were IN THE PAST.
22 yet He has NOW reconciled you in His fleshly body through death...(Colossians 1:22 )
NOW indicates their state at the time of this writing. They had gone from being God's enemies to being reconciled. This indicates a radical change of status. If they always had been reconciled there would be no such alteration.
...in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach...(Colossians 1:21-22).
They used to be engaged in evil deeds. AFTER reconciliation they became "holy and blameless, beyond reproach." This shows clearly that they had not ALWAYS been reconciled. The change in their status came about only AFTER they had put their faith in Christ.
Reconciliation caused a change in them. The word reconciliation means "to put in right relationship." An "enemy" of God is by definition is not in right relationship with Him. A person cannot simultaneously be in an enemy and a friend of God (James 4:4, Matthew 6:24)
Your doctrine of "eternal justification" is unscriptural, irrational, incoherent and is lacking in moral judgment. Can you answer these scriptures?
Ben Masada
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Reconciliation Cancels Out the Doctrine of Predestination.
Reconciliation Cancels Out the Doctrine of Predestination.
I would not disagree with the above assertion but I find much more of the truth that Freewill fits more to the bill to cancel the doctrine of Predestination which is the opposite of Freewill. Predestination is akin to Fate which was for the Greeks above the supreme power of Zeus and all their gods.
Reconciliation Cancels Out the Doctrine of Predestination.
I would not disagree with the above assertion but I find much more of the truth that Freewill fits more to the bill to cancel the doctrine of Predestination which is the opposite of Freewill. Predestination is akin to Fate which was for the Greeks above the supreme power of Zeus and all their gods.
beloved57
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You are being evasive!
beloved57
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Do you want to answer the question?
No contradiction.
Salvation has been provided for all by Jesus Christ.
But its not yours if you don't receive it.
Before salvation can be ours it was necessary for Jesus to defeat sin, death and the devil.
God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. However, nothing is yours if you don't receive it and enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10.
fishrovmen
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Oh, I got it..."all of humanity" are Christians. That's called Universalism.
Shasta
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It should be obvious I disagree with your erroneous belief that people are friends of God WHILE they are still His enemies.
Now answer my objection
beloved57
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You don't believe the truth, those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10 !
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On the contrary I understand the question quite clearly and have answered it clearly. No sober-minded thinker will ever give you a yes or no answer, so you can stop with being coy. Explain why you think the decree to elect means "eternal justification", especially to support of your view that our Lord is doing the believing for those given to him from eternity.
Such a monstrous view implies the unregenerate elect...
- perform dead works, evil acts, etc. that are pleasing to God;
- can believe and even confess a false gospel;
- are ignorant that they had the imputed righteousness of Our Lord;
- can please God without faith; and
- contrary to the plain words of Eph. 2:1-3, were not children of wrath.
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No one is a friend of God that is not indwelt with the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
You cannot be any enemy of God and be reconciled to him. This is why Paul said, "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
We are reconciled unto God when we accept his Son Jesus Christ.
The Holy Spirit is only given to those who hear and believe the Gospel, Galatians 3:2.
You cannot be any enemy of God and be reconciled to him. This is why Paul said, "Be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
We are reconciled unto God when we accept his Son Jesus Christ.
beloved57
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Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers Rom 5:10!
And then they repent and call on Christ to save them, Romans 10:13.
beloved57
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They are saved /reconciled while they are enemies by Christ death Rom 5:10!
Brother Ducky
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But you say that all are reconciled. Have all accepted Jesus??
All are reconciled that have accepted the offer of reconciliation.
The offer of reconciliation is open to all, but it must be received.
This is why Paul said, "We pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.
If you don't receive the offer of reconciliation, its not yours.
Ben Masada
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So, as you say above, "Before salvation can be ours it was necessary for Jesus to defeat sin, death and the devil."
Now, I understand why this doctrine is a delusion because, sin has become more frequent after Jesus' death than before he was born which has become an evidence that Jesus did not defeat sin.
More people have died after Jesus death than before he was born. It means that Jesus did not defeat death.
The devil has been spoken of much more since Jesus died than before he was born which means that Jesus did not defeat the devil.
Can any one find any sense for this Christian doctrine? I don't think any one can because the Prophets of the Lord said that no one can die for the sins of another. (Jer. 31:30; Ezek. 18:20)