beloved57
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Those Christ died for are reconciled saved from their sins while they are enemies and unbelievers rejecting God Rom 5:10 that is why it is a free Gift!
Reconciled unto God by Who? By What?
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Ben Masada
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Reconciled unto God by who? by what?
Reconciled unto God by who? by what?
By him or herself through the decision to set things right with God so that our sins from scarlet red become as white as snow through repentance and the return to the obedience of God's Law. (Isa. 1:18,19) That's the only way to achieve reconciliation with God.
Reconciled unto God by who? by what?
By him or herself through the decision to set things right with God so that our sins from scarlet red become as white as snow through repentance and the return to the obedience of God's Law. (Isa. 1:18,19) That's the only way to achieve reconciliation with God.
Brother Ducky
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Romans 4:8 says nothing about the re-imputation of sin.
No, but it says sin will not be imputed to some, which means it is to others. It isn't happening now. Paul said so. He is not imputing trespasses and has offered reconciliation.
But many choose to shake their fist at him. They are not in the book of life. They will be judged on their works and cast in the lake of fire. All not in the book are cast in.
Nanja
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Those who were cast into the lake of fire, it's not because of what they did or did not do;
but simply because Christ was not their Surety!
Christ's Righteousness was only imputed to those whom He was their Surety Heb. 7:22.
All the rest of humanity are lost in their sins Rom. 9:22.
Christ was made a Surety to all those chosen in Him according to His Purpose and Grace
before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9. But not those that the devil sowed into the world Mat. 13:38-39; Mat. 25:33; 41!
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To whom is the free gift (life) offered?
NOT SINCE JESUS CHRIST -
right -
2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV - 2 Corinthians 5:19-20 KJV -
Colossians 1:19 KJV - Colossians 1:20 KJV -
beloved57
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Rom 5:10 is scripture but you don't believe it!
Interplanner
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Nanja
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Eternal Life was never an offer to accept or reject, but was given
to all for whom Christ Jesus was made a Surety for Heb. 7:22.
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Brother Ducky
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Not quite sure what your point is, particularly in reference to Paul and now.
Pate argues for [at least until judgement] universal atonement, universal being in Christ, universal propitiation, and universal reconciliation. But since he is not a universalist, he has the doctrine of re-imputation of sin. He has not to this point in time come up with any defense of his position, with the exception of his quoting Romans 4:8. You, according to your post, and I fail to find re-imputation within this verse.
Interplanner
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The NT does not present direct election of individuals in a determinist way. The issue of responding is resolved in Jn 6:40. It is a brilliant combination statement. Chew on that. The Father's will is simply that those who look to the Son will live on the last day.
That is one step back from direct election. If you want to talk about direct election after that, fine. But you cannot speak fatalistically or you won't have have anyone taking responsible for themselves.
The Hindu religion completely fatalist, and resulted in the caste system, and millions of brilliant people were relegated to impoverishment and disease until the Gospel came.
beloved57
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False comments not supported by scripture!
God has reconciled the whole world unto himself by Jesus Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:19.
If you are going to believe that, then you can toss the Calvinist doctrine of predestination into the trash.
If God has reconciled everyone to himself by Jesus Christ, just like the scripture says, then why would he predestinate some to salvation?
Answer is he wouldn't. God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.
As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been destroyed and Jesus is now Lord.
Because of the victorious work of Christ, Colossians 2:15, Now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
If you are going to believe that, then you can toss the Calvinist doctrine of predestination into the trash.
If God has reconciled everyone to himself by Jesus Christ, just like the scripture says, then why would he predestinate some to salvation?
Answer is he wouldn't. God sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ, Colossians 1:20.
As far as God is concerned sin, death and the devil have been destroyed and Jesus is now Lord.
Because of the victorious work of Christ, Colossians 2:15, Now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
beloved57
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Unless you believe those verses within the framework of Tulip, you dont really believe them or understand them !
Who needs tulip. I have;
John 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
And that is all that we really need.