Sonnet
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The Eden Fall story is baffling and reads like a fairy-tale...but I will try to answer your question.
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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The Eden Fall story is baffling and reads like a fairy-tale...but I will try to answer your question.
Rebuttal of the dreadful doctrine of reprobation
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It is because of these quotes that I am choosing to specifically engage Sonnet alone for a time. You are welcome to follow my train of thought and Sonnets as well, but because you have now questioned God's character of Love, and because you do not answer people with a gentle spirit, I am not going to engage your questions for a time.
Sonnet knows what antinomianism is, because His belief in the Loving character of God causes people to challenge people such as himself, that he is promoting sin, by calling God an All Loving God.
He does not promote carnal evil, and I do not either. He must be familiar with this concept, because as Paul was attacked by the Jews for knowing and teaching how Jesus is our sole righteousness, and none of our carnal deeds matter in the scope of salvation, so is He attacked for understanding and teaching such matters.
The issue here, is that a person who understands that we have no part in our salvation, but God's Love, alone, is the provision that brings us home; is a person that no longer serves God out of fear and false, religious loyalty.
A person of such an understanding of God and His absolute Love, extends that Love to humanity and themselves, in a way that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees. The spiritual walk yields a total overhaul, from the inside out, of that persons entire being. They will be mistaken as a person who promotes sin, when they are heard speaking. This is because carnal walkers, do not realize how faith, hope and Love, yield superior behavioral changes in a human being, through the work of the Spirit of Christ, that indwells them.
Now, does this mean that they will be free of sin before glory to glory? Absolutely not!
To quote a great apologist; "Oh what a wretched man am I. I am the chief of all sinners."
Paul continually breaks down the system of religious human obedience and references God's Love. He then implores people to stay yoked to the Love of God and the Love of God, through them, towards all humanity. Paul explains that this yields glorious fruits of the Spirit, that set a person apart from the world that does not or understand Love. He then brags on God's work by pointing out how the community response of those that follow Jesus's teachings (Paul only amplifies them) testify of the spiritual hands of the Spirit of Christ within them, that molds them to be unlike people that harbor hate, division, pride, jealousy and the like.
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Cross reference,
It is because of these quotes that I am choosing to specifically engage Sonnet alone for a time. You are welcome to follow my train of thought and Sonnets as well, but because you have now questioned God's character of Love, and because you do not answer people with a gentle spirit, I am not going to engage your questions for a time.
Sonnet knows what antinomianism is, because His belief in the Loving character of God causes people to challenge people such as himself, that he is promoting sin, by calling God an All Loving God.
He does not promote carnal evil, and I do not either. He must be familiar with this concept, because as Paul was attacked by the Jews for knowing and teaching how Jesus is our sole righteousness, and none of our carnal deeds matter in the scope of salvation, so is He attacked for understanding and teaching such matters.
The issue here, is that a person who understands that we have no part in our salvation, but God's Love, alone, is the provision that brings us home; is a person that no longer serves God out of fear and false, religious loyalty.
A person of such an understanding of God and His absolute Love, extends that Love to humanity and themselves, in a way that exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees. The spiritual walk yields a total overhaul, from the inside out, of that persons entire being. They will be mistaken as a person who promotes sin, when they are heard speaking. This is because carnal walkers, do not realize how faith, hope and Love, yield superior behavioral changes in a human being, through the work of the Spirit of Christ, that indwells them.
Now, does this mean that they will be free of sin before glory to glory? Absolutely not!
To quote a great apologist; "Oh what a wretched man am I. I am the chief of all sinners."
Paul continually breaks down the system of religious human obedience and references God's Love. He then implores people to stay yoked to the Love of God and the Love of God, through them, towards all humanity. Paul explains that this yields glorious fruits of the Spirit, that set a person apart from the world that does not or understand Love. He then brags on God's work by pointing out how the community response of those that follow Jesus's teachings (Paul only amplifies them) testify of the spiritual hands of the Spirit of Christ within them, that molds them to be unlike people that harbor hate, division, pride, jealousy and the like.
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Was this directed at me?
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Yes, it was. I am still waiting, however, knowing you can't produce one and want you to admit there isn't one in all of scripture.
Rosenritter
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Yet the same Bible says that he is willing for all men to be saved. The wicked may be created for the day of evil, but if God is willing that they be saved then "wicked" must have the option for change.
Rosenritter
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Straw man there.you don't believe in the biblical source Calvin uses.
you dont want us to believe at all.
Rosenritter
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John 3:16-17 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Rosenritter
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That reply of yours makes no sense.
Sonnet
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It's always seemed to me that Adam and Eve are presented with two opposing assertions regarding the said tree - almost as if Satan is the sine qua non for true free will...a binary opposite of God that has equal access and influence over mankind.
How much Adam and Eve knew absolutely regarding God and Satan is difficult to discern.
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Sonnet
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Rosenritter merely quotes from 1 Tim 2:4 and takes Paul's words at face value - as did Charles Spurgeon - so it's curious that you quote him.
You have struck at the heart of the matter!
Absolutely!
With this knowledge, we now go forward with the obvious assertion that God is all knowing. Is this your stance?
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It is unfortunate, isn't it, that your understanding or lack of, whatever it is, can't be more accommodating. . Too bad for me.
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