PETA wants lion hunter put to death

[Lon]

Lon, you aren't responsible for the "Aroma of Tacoma" are you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aroma_of_Tacoma

That is down in the tide-fats and more Fife than Tacoma for stench, though it is certainly made in Tacoma.

I live on the north end a distance from there. It is, in my opinion, the only livable place if one chooses Tacoma for a home. I'd be like living in East LA otherwise.

While it's a waste if the meat of a hunted animal isn't consumed, when a permit is bought to hunt said animal I don't believe that consuming it's meat is required.

Agreed Genesis 3:21

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by zoo22
Some African officials have supported the death penalty for poachers. (Actually, it's been suggested that poachers be shot on site, with no trial: Tanzania’s Modest Proposal: Shoot Elephant Poachers On The Spot). Besides the issues of extinction and protecting animals, about 1000 African rangers have been killed by poachers in the past decade.

Once there was a death sentence for poachers in England. Even for poaching fish.

I don't support the death penalty.

I hope this American poacher dentist is extradited and gets the maximum prison sentence and maximum fines in Zimbabwe. I hope he's locked up in a jail with a dirt floor and has to use a hole in the ground as a toilet. I hope that in the prison, there are lots and lots of prisoners who were big fans of Cecil the lion. I hope that the people who helped him poach Cecil the lion are also punished to the maximum. I hope it all helps set a new, stricter tone in terms of punishing poachers.

Should abortionists be punished in a similar manner? Pr 8:36

"I hope" that zoo22 responds to your question.

 

[Nazaroo]

Can we get a few more pages deep before you derail this conversation into an abortion debate?

Okay Daddy!

 

[Town Heretic]

I was raised summers on a farm near a large pig farm.

You hunt pigs for sport did you? lain:

Scripture says to treat animals well, but trophy hunting isn't a problem for me. That gets into my motives vs. your motives. Until we all become vegetarians, I don't believe we have room for judgment but I'm not trampling on your free speech. I'm just wondering if I can influence it a little

I'm an omnivore. It isn't about eating meat with me, it's about the man who kills simply for the pleasure of it. I think it's disrespectful. Killing of a sentient being should signify more than a man's amusement.

Eh. Hogs are now a problem like carp in the river.

Okay, if you're thinning an overpopulation then it's a mercy killing. Trophy hunters aren't in it for the mercy.

 

[Cons&Spires]

You hunt pigs for sport did you? lain:


I'm an omnivore. It isn't about eating meat with me, it's about the man who kills simply for the pleasure of it. I think it's disrespectful. Killing of a sentient being should signify more than a man's amusement.



Okay, if you're thinning an overpopulation then it's a mercy killing. Trophy hunters aren't in it for the mercy.

I don't know the motive of the man killing the lion, I never looked into it or really care enough to do so.

I just simply don't like PETA to be honest. I'll sink my teeth into them in a heartbeat for the obnoxious, vain, and self-righteous idiots they are. I could imagine them living in the earlier ages and giving up their ideology in favor of survival- eating meat when vegetation is not available.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I don't know the motive of the man killing the lion, I never looked into it or really care enough to do so.

I just simply don't like PETA to be honest. I'll sink my teeth into them in a heartbeat for the obnoxious, vain, and self-righteous idiots they are. I could imagine them living in the earlier ages and giving up their ideology in favor of survival- eating meat when vegetation is not available.

Well it wasn't for food, that much is obvious. Frankly I don't like PETA either although I do support the ideal that animals should be ethically and humanely treated. Those who simply kill for "sport" are bloodthirsty morons.

 

[Town Heretic]

I don't know the motive of the man killing the lion,

All I care about is what isn't his motive. That separates him from the hunter. That's his mark.

I never looked into it or really care enough to do so.

Likely true of most people.

I just simply don't like PETA to be honest.

I agree with some of what they're about, disagree with much. I don't put coin in their pockets.

I'll sink my teeth into them in a heartbeat for the obnoxious, vain, and self-righteous idiots they are.

So their motives you have the inclination to deduce?

I could imagine them living in the earlier ages and giving up their ideology in favor of survival- eating meat when vegetation is not available.

I could imagine a moral man stealing if he his child was starving.

 

[Cons&Spires]

Well it wasn't for food, that much is obvious. Frankly I don't like PETA either although I do support the ideal that animals should be ethically and humanely treated. Those who simply kill for "sport" are bloodthirsty morons.

Pigs are boiled alive, chickens are stacked in cages, and cows are hung over grates and bled out through a slit throat.

Basically, to go to the store and buy meat is to support that industry, what do you do?

According to PETA, it's to eat berries and wheat your whole life.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Pigs are boiled alive, chickens are stacked in cages, and cows are hung over grates and bled out through a slit throat.

Basically, to go to the store and buy meat is to support that industry, what do you do?

According to PETA, it's to eat berries and wheat your whole life.

Not sure where you're getting that pigs are boiled alive from, cite? As far as I'm aware battery farming of hens is roundly condemned nowadays and it's free range eggs that I purchase. I'm also under the impression that culling cattle has strict guidelines as to how that's handled now although that being said I doubt everywhere conforms to such. I recently made a decision to become a vegetarian in light of that though I eat more than 'berries and wheat'. There's plenty of meat substitutes available now that it's not a problem for me or plenty others I would suspect.

 

[Cons&Spires]

Not sure where you're getting that pigs are boiled alive from, cite? As far as I'm aware battery farming of hens is roundly condemned nowadays and it's free range eggs that I purchase. I'm also under the impression that culling cattle has strict guidelines as to how that's handled now although that being said I doubt everywhere conforms to such. I recently made a decision to become a vegetarian in light of that though I eat more than 'berries and wheat'. There's plenty of meat substitutes available now that it's not a problem for me or plenty others I would suspect.

Pigs are thrown down chutes and boiled alive. If you don't believe it, look it up, as that is how I have known them to be slaughtered. They are too dirty to be handled manually.

PETA doesn't even accept the drinking of milk, they are full on vegan.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Pigs are thrown down chutes and boiled alive. If you don't believe it, look it up, as that is how I have known them to be slaughtered. They are too dirty to be handled manually.

PETA doesn't even accept the drinking of milk, they are full on vegan.

Then you should be able to cite a link to support that. I could care less what PETA thinks. My decision to become vegetarian had sod all to do with them.

 

[Cons&Spires]

Then you should be able to cite a link to support that. I could care less what PETA thinks. My decision to become vegetarian had sod all to do with them.

Yeah.. they're boiled alive. That's very apparent, but deny it all you want. I did a Google search and saw no other method then burning swine with scolding water_

And go ahead and be a vegetarian, everyone who feared God before Noah were. But don't shame men for eating meat, because God gave us merit to do so.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Yeah.. they're boiled alive. That's very apparent, but deny it all you want. I did a Google search and saw no other method then burning swine with scolding water_

And go ahead and be a vegetarian, everyone who feared God before Noah were. But don't shame men for eating meat, because God gave us merit to do so.

Then I don't think you did a very in depth search. The first results on google make no mention of boiling pigs alive although some do mention how the carcass is put in hot water after culling. Perhaps you can direct me to a link where what you suggest actually happens? If such does happen it should obviously be outlawed immediately.

I've no interest in condemning or shaming people for eating meat either.

 

[Cons&Spires]

If such does happen it should obviously be outlawed immediately.

I've no interest in condemning or shaming people for eating meat either.

It may actually be illegal in the strict sense, the thing is nobody cares. The mass production of meat calls for convenient slaughter, and sending them down chutes into scolding water is one way to ensure a safe, speedy product.

 

[Arthur Brain]

It may actually be illegal in the strict sense, the thing is nobody cares. The mass production of meat calls for convenient slaughter, and sending them down chutes into scolding water is one way to ensure a safe, speedy product.

I would lay money that it's illegal and there's more efficient ways to slaughter pigs than that abhorrent practice if such actually goes on. Usually it would seem the pigs are killed before exsanguination although not everywhere which is barbaric enough. I'm not seeing where it's anything approaching common practice where pigs are actually killed by being boiled alive however. Once again, cite?

 

[Lon]

You hunt pigs for sport did you? lain:

YOU CITY BOY! (is it right to explain to people how they get their meat?)

I'm an omnivore. It isn't about eating meat with me

:think: Didn't you participate with me in the bacon thread? 'IF' you love your bacon like me, it is always about the meat!

it's about the man who kills simply for the pleasure of it.

It will seem weird, but I like that guy over the guy who feels bad about it, for when I am at the store. I know that sounds weird, but I'd feel guilty if the guy was really depressed about giving me bacon.

I think it's disrespectful.

Okay, that might have been over the top, but of the two, I'd rather put the sadistic fellow to work than the sensitive fellow, in that same place, when it comes to my bacon but all things considered, most of them are like my uncle who takes good care of his livestock and does what is expedient according to ranching/farming.

Killing of a sentient being should signify more than a man's amusement.

I believe you have a point, but it isn't just amusement. Sometimes it was hunting the predators for us. We weren't shooting the ground rodents for meat of fur, but because they were endangering livestock. Other times it was for meat. I do think there is a hunter-type instinct in man and that gatherer is instinctual for women to some extent. I have no data other than parroting but I do have some of these drives in my life. It isn't without love and respect for animals, for surely not one sparrow falls without our Father knowing and concerned. I have many good Christian friends who enjoy the hunt for a lot of different reasons.

Okay, if you're thinning an overpopulation then it's a mercy killing. Trophy hunters aren't in it for the mercy.

They could be. I do know of other hunters who themselves, have problems with trophy hunters so I think I can at least appreciate the sentiment. I think trophies, in and of themselves, have benefits, however. For one, they leave me in awe and appreciation of the animals they represent. This ensures a desire in all hunters for conservation. In fact, most hunters have a much better conservation ethic than the rest because they appreciate what is there and don't want to see it gone. Also, hunting hunters (trophies) serves the purpose of taking care of problem animals, most of the time. For the most part, trophies are the animals that are troublesome to local farmers and would be killed and left to rot where they lie. The trophy hunter further helps by paying local business and farms for what they are taking, and these in turn were often those troublesome animals on their properties in the first place.

This particular story was wrong. The guy could have paid his dues and waited for an appropriate and meaningful hunt that would have meant so much more than a trophy.

This scenario reminds me of Nathan telling David about the pointless heartless killing of a lamb. David, like you, was rightly indignant. I think your feelings justified (did you see that coming?)

In Him,

-Lon the baconator

 

[Cons&Spires]

Upon research, it seems that they, like other cattle, may or may not be rendered unconscious before getting an insta-kill bolt right through the side of the skull.

Then they are thrown down a chute into boiling water.
To say every slaughterhouse takes the time to be humane is preposterous, however. I've seen a video of pigs alive an kicking be thrown right down such a chute.

 

[Lon]

I would lay money that it's illegal and there's more efficient ways to slaughter pigs than that abhorrent practice if such actually goes on. Usually it would seem the pigs are killed before exsanguination although not everywhere which is barbaric enough. I'm not seeing where it's anything approaching common practice where pigs are actually killed by being boiled alive however. Once again, cite?

Not wanting to get into it because of sensitivities of people (a city consideration), but this cannot happen as far as I am aware. All meat must be bled, and inspected by U.S. inspectors before it can be boiled. Animals release chemicals when frightened that can greatly effect their meat so most animals are put down quickly and humanely. PETA certainly goes to farms where farmers may not be as humane as another, although all such are a shock to people who do not hunt, ranch, or farm, because most people don't think about it (and don't want to). I hope I was able to say that in a manner that was sensitive enough to not conjure hurtful images. -Lon

 

[Lon]

Upon research, it seems that they, like other cattle, may or may not be rendered unconscious before getting an insta-kill bolt right through the side of the skull.

Then they are thrown down a chute into boiling water.
To say every slaughterhouse takes the time to be humane is preposterous, however. I've seen a video of pigs alive an kicking be thrown right down such a chute.

Again, stressing an animal can cause damage to the end product so for the most part, I don't see that kind of thing happening. There are some cruel and troublesome farms/people in the industry that don't take care of God's animals and they shouldn't be in the business, as TownHeretic suggests.

I agree with him, and you on this point.

-Lon

 

[Traditio]

"The crime is life. The sentence is death" (Judge Death from the Judge Dredd comics).