Paul vs. Jesus

[Agape4Robin]

Aye-aye, Cap'n.

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[Caledvwlch]

Quoting words from a book that you don't understand or have the least bit of faith in the author of is foolishness, magnified. You're a hypocrite, of the greatest distinction I've ever encountered; a snake and a liar. The things you post are imaginary and severe heresy.

I thought you only said those things about me, Aimiel! I feel like I've been cheated on... :sigh:

 

[Gnostic]

I said: "Then it must also include scripture outside the canon that God never told you to close."

Aimiel replied: "I didn't close it, He did. He inspired the men who did so..."

So you admit the Catholic Church Fathers were infallible? Then why do you deny that the pope can also be infallible? Seems people are only infallible when it suits your doctines.

You said: "In order to receive truth from God, you first have to believe in Him."

I don't believe in "Him", I believe in Him-Her-It. Unlike your God, mine doesn't have testicles.

I said: "...exactly which book is signed by Jesus as its author?"

You replied: "All 66 of them."

I didn't ask for your popular Protestant opinion, I asked you to show me the scripture where God said it. Back your mouth with your closed canon.

You said: "I've told you before that I am a prophet, and that He makes use of me,.."

Prophets speak new things, all you do is quote other prophets. Tell me something I don't know and then you will be a prophet.

You said about the Esoteric: "The Word of God says that there is no 'private' interpretation of The Scriptures."

Mark 4:11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables.

You said: "God paid the price, when He hung upon the cross."

And you'd hang him again no problem. In fact you would have no choice, since the only way YOU can get your stinky butt into heaven is to hang Master on a cross. If he sliped while carying the thing, you'd have to help him up the hill. My dear man, you are in a predicament.

You said: "the sexuality of man was made for the marriage bed, only."

Then why didn't your God design his creatures to have sex urge only, say, once a year when it's time to make babies? That would have been a better design, don't you agree? As it is, your God is a lousy programmer. Even Microsoft would have done a better job and saved millions from hell.

You said: "Your definition of a Christian and mine are probably not the same."

Correct. So why must you be the True Christian™

The Evangelical Right Wing Protestant Literalist said to the Gnostic: "You would find the treasures that I possess and the heights that I walk in exhilirating and fascinating, if you could but comprehend them."

No comment on this one.

You said: "I have seen things and been places very few on this earth have ever even dreamed of."

And if you dared to write about it in detail, some of your Christian friends would say you're "Full of crap."

You said: "The things you post are imaginary and severe heresy."

Sounds like some of your doctrines to me. Ie. Imaginary: when the prophet goes up into the sky in a blazing chariot... heresy: when Jesus resurrected into a fleshy body and asked for a T-Bone steak to eat.

Agape4Robin: "obviously this person prefers to wallow in the filth of their own perversion. Content to be blinded and decieved by satan."

Mark 3:22
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub!

It was always the dogma worshipers who see Satan in everyone who challenges their established ideas. But the greatest heretic of all time, Jesus, was good at esoterically saying "Did God really say..." when he opening their eyes so that they see that God never said the Law, and they will live forever even if they don't obey what "God said", and that's why his disciples don't have to keep it. That's the bottom line, the rest is just popular Christian democratic philosophy.

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[Agape4Robin]

I said: "Then it must also include scripture outside the canon that God never told you to close."

Aimiel replied: "I didn't close it, He did. He inspired the men who did so..."

So you admit the Catholic Church Fathers were infallible? Then why do you deny that the pope can also be infallible? Seems people are only infallible when it suits your doctines.

You said: "In order to receive truth from God, you first have to believe in Him."

I don't believe in "Him", I believe in Him-Her-It. Unlike your God, mine doesn't have testicles.

I said: "...exactly which book is signed by Jesus as its author?"

You replied: "All 66 of them."

I didn't ask for your popular Protestant opinion, I asked you to show me the scripture where God said it. Back your mouth with your closed canon.

You said: "I've told you before that I am a prophet, and that He makes use of me,.."

Prophets speak new things, all you do is quote other prophets. Tell me something I don't know and then you will be a prophet.

You said about the esoteric: "The Word of God says that there is no 'private' interpretation of The Scriptures."

Mark 4:11 He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables.

You said: "God paid the price, when He hung upon the cross."

And you'd hang him again no problem. In fact you would have no choice, since the only way YOU can get your stinky butt into heaven is to hang Master on a cross. If he sliped while carying the thing, you'd have to help him up the hill. My dear man, you are in a predicament.

You said: "the sexuality of man was made for the marriage bed, only."

Then why didn't your God design his creatures to have sex urge only, say, once a year when it's time to make babies? That would have been a better design, don't you agree? As it is, your God is a lousy programmer. Even Microsoft would have done a better job and saved millions from hell.

You said: "Your definition of a Christian and mine are probably not the same."

Correct. So why must you be the True Christian™

The Evangelical Right Wing Protestant Literalist said to the Gnostic: "You would find the treasures that I possess and the heights that I walk in exhilirating and fascinating, if you could but comprehend them."

No comment on this one.

You said: "I have seen things and been places very few on this earth have ever even dreamed of."

And if you dared to write about it in detail, some of your Christian friends would say you're "Full of crap."

You said: "The things you post are imaginary and severe heresy."

Sounds like some of your doctrines to me. Ie. when the prophet goes up into the sky in a blazing chariot, or when Jesus resurrected into a fleshy body and asked for a T-Bone steak to eat.

Agape4Robin: "obviously this person prefers to wallow in the filth of their own perversion. Content to be blinded and decieved by satan."

Mark 3:22
And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub!

It was always the dogma worshipers who see Satan in everyone who challenges their established ideas. But the greatest heretic of all time, Jesus, was good at esoterically saying "Did God really say..." when he opening their eyes so that they see that God never said the Law, and they will live forever even if they don't obey what "God said", and that's why his disciples don't have to keep it. That's the bottom line, the rest is just Christian philosophy.

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Oh, puhleeeeeezzzzeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:yawn:

 

[Gnostic]

Oh, puhleeeeeezzzzeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what?

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[Lighthouse]

You said: "You are aware that the gospel of Thomas is in the Catholic Bible, aren't you?"

You are very amusing.

My mistake. I assumed, because of a conversation I had with a former Catholic once. I misunderstood what he said, I guess.

You said: "http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=733846&postcount=212, for starters..."

And so you pointed me to a post. And, specifically, what? Tell me specifically what you find wrong with it. Always be specific (unless you're being esoteric, of course)

If you need me to explain how muts you are, I can't help you. But I suggest you seek professinal help.

You said: "And what are yo trying to say wiht this verse, anyway? Who are you directing this towards, and why?"

Jesus is saying to cut the BS. Don't do what you hate. Ie. close the porno magazine because someone said it's wrong, or worship Saturdays because some ancient Rabbis said so, or lock yourself up in a room and bring your hands together and close your eyes to pray to Father because otherwise he can't hear you. In other words, Jesus is saying your mind is your own. If you want to have sex with a man, God couldn't give a rats butt where you prefer to stick your weenie. We are all "sinners", but that's how your God made us to be. We are animals, and our behavior is very fitting. So don't think someone is a sinner going to hell because he rejects your particular doctrines, while you are also a sinner yet going to heaven because you believe "this" and "that", otherwise, you're indeed a hypocrite. Just be what you are and let others do the same and leave the judging to God (not Father, but "God").

Jesus would never contradict Himself, and He told us to judge, quite a few times. Do you need references?

I am not a hypocrite,and I am not a sinner. Christ set me free from sin. And I am not a homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin. And I know it is. I will not deny that. And Christ does not desire for men to have sexual relations with men, or women with women. That is not how He created us. And there is only one Father, and that is God. If you perceive another as Father, you are gravely mistaken. People don't go to hell for not knowing the "rigth doctrine," they go to hell for not knowing Christ. And you do not know Christ.

 

[Agape4Robin]

Oh, puhleeeeeezzzzeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what?

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You said that your god has no testicles....... :doh:
God Himself, describes Himself as a "Father"......
Jesus calls God, Father.......

You must be a P.C., feminist! :Commie:

 

[Lighthouse]

You siad: "I go to bars to drink, not check out women."

I also go to bars to drink, and if a woman goes past I'll check her out. Women DO make themselves attractive so that men check them out, that is why they do it. And here you are at the forums saying all their work is in vain for Christian men. Shame on you!

Is that what I said? No, that's not what I said. I said that I am in Christ, and have been set free from lust. That doesn't mean I don't find attractive females attractive.

You said: "You do sound very much like your father, the serpent..."

You do me justice. Just remember what the Serpent did, and what Jesus did, and then tell me it's not the same work. Would you like me to post the scripture that supports this? I, unlike you, can back my doctrines with the Bible.

Then back it up, little man. You are a child of the adversary of God, and by that you are the Lord's enemy.

 

[Lighthouse]

Thanks for the chat, lighthouse, and please accept my sincere apology if I've offended you.

I'll leave you with this...

Matthew 21:32
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you [dogma worshipers].

You got something mixed up.

"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye beleived him not: but the publicans and the harlots beleived him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might beleive him."

-Matthew 21:32
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[Gnostic]

Dear Robin, that's better when you're specific.

No my Father has neither testicles nor a vagina. "Father" is a cosmic relationship, not a gender. Why do you take such things literally? So your bottom line is the Father in Heaven has testicles? Jesus was right to call you literalists slaves of your own minds.

Your Trinity is up to its neck in balls.

Father: has testicles
Son: has testicles
Holy Spirit: has testicles

No I'm not a feminist, but I support those poor bashed creatures where necessary. Jesus did the same, but Paul the chauvinist pig spoiled his work when he introduced "another gospel."

BTW, the woman in your avatar is quite attractive. If you don't mind me asking, is it you?

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[Lighthouse]

You said that your god has no testicles....... :doh:
God Himself, describes Himself as a "Father"......
Jesus calls God, Father.......

You must be a P.C., feminist! :Commie:

I think Gnostic is a male. Though... he is pretty feminine. Especially with that stupid asterisk at the end of all of his posts.

 

[Agape4Robin]

Dear Robin, that's better when you're specific.

No my Father has neither testicles nor a vagina. "Father" is a cosmic relationship, not a gender. Why do you take such things literally? So your bottom line is the Father in Heaven has testicles? Jesus was right to call you literalists slaves of your own minds.

Your Trinity is up to its neck in balls.

Father: has testicles
Son: has testicles
Holy Spirit: has testicles

No I'm not a feminist, but I support those poor bashed creatures where necessary. Jesus did the same, but Paul the chauvinist pig spoiled his work when he introduced "another gospel."

BTW, the woman in your avatar is quite attractive. If you don't mind me asking, is it you?

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Why, Gnostic.......are you hitting on me?

 

[Gnostic]

That depends on

A) Whether your avatar is you, and
B) Whether you're available

But since I'm married with a gorgeous woman and two lovely children, then sadly it would have to be restricted to a "hitting" of the cyber kind.

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[Delmar]

That depends on

A) Whether your avatar is you, and
B) Whether you're available

But since I'm married with a gorgeous woman and two lovely children, then sadly it would have to be restricted to a "hitting" of the cyber kind.

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Gnostic again.

 

[Gnostic]

Lighthouse: "Then back it up, little man."

I've bumped "The Alien God" thread so you can read the evidence there. Actually I bumped it by mistake when I went to get some text and hit the wrong buttons. Yes, it's true, Gnostics Know what Christians don't, but they sure as hell aren't infallible.

But in case you're having difficulty finding it, here it is (a comparison).

SERPENT: Eat what is forbidden and you will surely not die.

JESUS: Eat ME, my flesh (absolutely forbidden), and you will surely live.

SERPENT: See, you ate and your eyes were opened.

JESUS: Sir, allow me spit in your eye like serpents do... ppppp... can you see now? Good.

SERPENT: Yes you were told not to eat that but eat it anyway.

JESUS: Don't you know it doesn't matter what goes into the mouth, regardless of what some God said?

JESUS: When you have lifted me up like the SERPENT then you will believe and have eternal life.

If you want the actual scripture verses, let me know.

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[Agape4Robin]

That depends on

A) Whether your avatar is you, and
B) Whether you're available

But since I'm married with a gorgeous woman and two lovely children, then sadly it would have to be restricted to a "hitting" of the cyber kind.

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A) The avatar is not me, but is eerily close. My hair is longer than that.
B) I have been on the not available list for the last 20 years.

Then don't be so charming.......we are disagreeing!

 

[Delmar]

A) The avatar is not me, but is eerily close. My hair is longer than that.
B) I have been on the not available list for the last 20 years.

Then don't be so charming.......we are disagreeing!

Tough but fair:up:

 

[Agape4Robin]

Tough but fair:up:

:emarie: Thank you

 

[Caledvwlch]

So, back to the topic. Where do I get tickets for the Paul vs. Jesus Iron-Man Cage Match?

 

[Gnostic]

Robin, then I'll respect you and withdraw from my intentions. Knowing now that the woman in your avatar is not actually you, I'm free to say I wouldn't mind having her in bed (I'm only human you see).

Now about our disagreement...

John 3:6
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

If the Holy Spirit has testicles as you claim, then how can a male give birth?

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