ECT Paul said the Apostles were in Christ before Him. Paul brought no new message.

[Lighthouse]

Paul supposedly revealed a " mystery " about salvation by grace that no one else preached ! To be saved one had to hear that "mystery " and by faith accept it , and yet there were MANY folks before Paul supposedly revealed that " mystery" that no one else knew who were ALREADY saved, which proves that PAUL preached the same message as ALL of the other Apostles.

A new message doesn't mean no one was saved under previous messages, And no one is arguing that it does except you. That is the definition of a "straw man."

Now, if you want to get technical it is true that the 12 speak of salvation as something to come and Paul speaks of it in past tense, in the epistles. But the reason for that is not the fact the messages were different.

Paul never said, and neither have any of us, that you can only be saved through the dispensation of the grace of God. You are the only one claiming that MAD teaches that.

You should really stop building on sand.

Paul was late to the Faith as he had been having Christians rounded up and imprisoned or killed as he himself said.

How is it all those other folks were being saved if they had not heard the mystery revealed by Paul,

Because salvation is not exclusive to the dispensation of the grace of God. Never has been, never will be.

which of course is a perversion of scripture advocated by deceived men without a clue of what scripture actually teaches ?

Prove it. The only perversions of Scripture are coming from you and your ilk when you make false claims about what MAD is.

You might want to remove the rocks from between your own ears and actually believe what scripture teaches instead of trying to defend a lie called MAD.

You can make this claim when you actually tell us what the Gospel is. Until then, stifle it.

 

[jamie]

Because salvation is not exclusive to the dispensation of the grace of God. Never has been, never will be.

Is one dispensation better than any other dispensation?

 

[DAN P]

Acts 21:26 Then Paul took the men and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.​

Luke does not specify the nature of the offering.

As a rule, the burnt, the expiatory, and the purificative offerings were animal sacrifices, but in exceptional cases a cereal sin-offering was accepted or prescribed.
(http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12984-sacrifice)​

Hi and we know that Paul was NOT allowed to to sacrifice as I believe that God used the Jews and took Paul from sacrificing in verse 30 !!

dan p

 

[Crucible]

Dispensation, dispensation, dispensation, dispensation, dispensation...


:chuckle:

 

[Danoh]

Dispensation, dispensation, dispensation, dispensation, dispensation...


:chuckle:

Lol

That was hilarious; I'll give you that much.

Jackson is a riot in such moments.

Just goes to show once more that even enemies (regretabbly) nevertheless share moments in common.

Catch him in the movie Soul Men; one heck of a hilarious performance throughout.

 

[jamie]

Hi and we know that Paul was NOT allowed to to sacrifice as I believe that God used the Jews and took Paul from sacrificing in verse 30 !!

There are blood sacrifices and bloodless sacrifices, we are not told which kind Paul offered.

The Mosaic sacrificial scheme is for the most part set forth in Leviticus. The sacrifices ordained may be divided into the bloodless and the blood-giving kinds.​

(http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12984-sacrifice)

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law.​

 

[DAN P]

There are blood sacrifices and bloodless sacrifices, we are not told which kind Paul offered.

The Mosaic sacrificial scheme is for the most part set forth in Leviticus. The sacrifices ordained may be divided into the bloodless and the blood-giving kinds.​

(http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12984-sacrifice)

Acts 21:24 Take them and be purified with them and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law.​

Hi and you should see what the Jews were trying to do to Paul to make him say YES I am keeping the Law !!

You will see that what was doing was a NAZARITE VOW in verse 23 and does not say that Paul also SHAVED his head and in verse 24 the Jews are trying to expunge verse 21 !!


Read Acts 21:21

dan p

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Hi and you should see what the Jews were trying to do to Paul to make him say YES I am keeping the Law !!

You will see that what was doing was a NAZARITE VOW in verse 23 and does not say that Paul also SHAVED his head and in verse 24 the Jews are trying to expunge verse 21 !!


Read Acts 21:21

dan p

Expunge verse 21?

What a hoot. :hammer:

 

[Danoh]

Actually, he'd shaved his head in chapter 18.

 

[jamie]

You will see that what was doing was a NAZARITE VOW...

Nope, scripture does not say that.

 

[Danoh]

Nope, scripture does not say that.

Yeah it do, lol

 

[jamie]

Yeah it do, lol

What verse? lol and whoop de do.

 

[DAN P]

If the BOC thing refers to the church Jesus said he would build, he sent out twelve men with the authority to do just that. Jesus gave these twelve men the authority to legislate for Jesus' church, what they bound was bound and what they loosed was not bound as long as two or three of them agree
Paul and the others all preached Jesus' gospel d.
of God's kingdom.
QUOTE]


Hi and what did the 12 APOSTLES LEGISLATE ?

Since they had the LAW of MOSES ??

dan p

 

[jamie]

Hi and what did the 12 APOSTLES LEGISLATE ?

Since they had the LAW of MOSES ??

Freedom from the Mosaic law and how to enter God's family.

 

[dodge]

If the BOC thing refers to the church Jesus said he would build, he sent out twelve men with the authority to do just that. Jesus gave these twelve men the authority to legislate for Jesus' church, what they bound was bound and what they loosed was not bound as long as two or three of them agree
Paul and the others all preached Jesus' gospel d.
of God's kingdom.
QUOTE]


Hi and what did the 12 APOSTLES LEGISLATE ?

Since they had the LAW of MOSES ??

dan p

This is what Jesus told His Apostles to preach:

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teach them what ?

Mar 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Since everyone seems to agree that Gospel is good news what good news do you suppose Jesus instructed His Apostles to teach to those HE sent them to ?

You are on eternally dangerous ground. Now you cast doubt on the very one that brought salvation to mankind and question the one who provided salvation implying He nor His Apostles taught His gospel.

Just so you know Paul is NOT who provided salvation he was a messenger of Jesus.

 

[Danoh]

This is what Jesus told His Apostles to preach:

Mat 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teach them what ?

Mar 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Since everyone seems to agree that Gospel is good news what good news do you suppose Jesus instructed His Apostles to teach to those HE sent them to ?

You are on eternally dangerous ground. Now you cast doubt on the very one that brought salvation to mankind and question the one who provided salvation implying He nor His Apostles never taught His gospel.

Just so you know Paul is NOT who provided salvation he was a messenger of Jesus.

Never mind what he ALSO told them in...

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

[dodge]

Never mind what he ALSO told them in...

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Madist have so destroyed the SPIRIT of Jesus' message I understand why they cannot put 1 + 1 together and get 2.

The law according to scripture was our school master to bring us to grace and yet the very one who provides grace has been relegated and placed under under the law that He came to fulfill to provide GRACE.

The scripture that Moses brought the LAW but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus totally escapes the understanding of Madist, sadly.

I put Madist in the same camp as the Pharisees they walk and live in the flesh IGNORING that it is the Spirit that gives life.

 

[jamie]

The scripture that Moses brought the LAW but GRACE and TRUTH came by Jesus totally escapes the understanding of Madist, sadly.

It seems people forget that Moses was a Christian.

Hebrews 11:26 NET He regarded abuse suffered for Christ to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.​

 

[DAN P]

It seems people forget that Moses was a Christian.

Hebrews 11:26 NET He regarded abuse suffered for Christ to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.​

Hi and where is that verse that Moses was a CHRISTIAN / CHRISTIANOS ??

What you people all ways forget the there is a DIFFERENCE between Grace ( 12 times ) and the DISPENSATION of Grace and are you all RCC ?

DAN P

 

[dodge]

It seems people forget that Moses was a Christian.

Hebrews 11:26 NET He regarded abuse suffered for Christ to be greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for his eyes were fixed on the reward.​

Maddist will never get that Jamie they are to locked up in the flesh to understand what the Spirit teaches.