SonOfCaleb
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I thought that was obvious...the text is the Bible.....
Origin of the Cross
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I thought that was obvious...the text is the Bible.....
Origin of the Cross
John,
Do you take the time to study other denominations out of the 20,000 plus, besides your own.
This is a Jehovahs witnesses textbook rhetoric that the watch tower teaches.
Instead of being rude, you could recognize the origin of her argument and speak to her with respect from scripture.
I chose to use the text I'm almost certain she uses because that's what she is locked into by religious adherence.
Any other place and she would have been uncomfortable even reading it.
John,
Do you take the time to study other denominations out of the 20,000 plus, besides your own.
This is a Jehovahs witnesses textbook rhetoric that the watch tower teaches.
Instead of being rude, you could recognize the origin of her argument and speak to her with respect from scripture.
I chose to use the text I'm almost certain she uses because that's what she is locked into by religious adherence.
Any other place and she would have been uncomfortable even reading it.
More, deception. What is this "the text?" "the Bible?" Identify it. There is just one "the text," just one "the Bible?" Where can we get a copy?
Deception-you "argued:"
"What I'm talking about are deliberate interpolations or deliberate corruptions of the text"-you
So, "the bible," "the text," was corrupted? What "the original" "the bible" would that be, that was corrupted?
Clueless. You need to fold, as you just read that, on a website, and are just winging it.
SonOfCaleb
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You have to be incredibly ignorant to make such an absurd claim. Put religion to one side for a moment and just consider the sheer weight of secular evidence that thoroughly debunks and disproves this ridiculous position. But you can't because not only are you Biblically illiterate you're historically illiterate to.
Request denied.
And those employed by the US government, to identify fake currency, bills, know "the genuine article," i.e, genuine dollar bills.......to be able to "spot" the fake.
That is what I do.
Move along, with your "on the sideline" boo the players/troops. You're beginning to bore me.
Can you dig it?
So much for your nameless in grace.
Of what good is this so called grace of yours that you can't "suffer" a buffeting "when ye be buffeted."
Sup on that :chuckle:
John,
What good is a testimony that makes all of Jesus followers look stupid.
By being a man of harshness you are violating Jesus teachings.
Perhaps you should consider the ways scripture teach us to discuss differences.
This girl isn't Islam, she's a sister in Christ stuck in a prison of religious fear.
But hey....
Maybe you can shoot me those Jesus was a total Jerk to people in need scriptures. Otherwise, maybe you could see how your words look.
I can see your point.
Chuckle....
Um.... If your butt hurt because of what I said, I have some BH be gone that I would gladly provide free of charge. ; )
SonOfCaleb
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What are you blabbering on about? I've not read anything on any website. If you're going to make empty baseless troll claims to goad debate then at least have the gumption to adhere to your own standard and quote your source.
I made a simple and very easy to understand post. Its common knowledge among theologians and secular academics alike that the Bible has suffered from numerous mistranslations and interpolations. The mere fact numerous different versions exist and translations from numerous different manuscripts attest to that fact.
If you want specific verses to ponder over why not just say that instead of your petulant empty response? Here's one for you to chew over seeing as you're a pedant John 8:1-11. That ENTIRE passage was made up. Its nowhere to be found in any of the ancient codex or early manuscripts. Its a known forgery. But you knew that didn't you.....
Deception. You say "the text" is "the Bible." And then, this disjointed scribble, which you just read, on a website:
"What I'm talking about are deliberate interpolations or deliberate corruptions of the text"-you
So, "the bible," "the text," was corrupted? What "the original" "the bible" would that be, that was corrupted?
Clueless. You need to fold, as you just read that, on a website, and are just winging it.
"That ENTIRE passage was made up. Its nowhere to be found in any of the ancient codex or early manuscripts."-you
Made up. You read that on a website, just trying to show off.
You fraud-there is no such thing as "the text." You've seen these "early manuscripts," have you?
"that the Bible has suffered from numerous mistranslations and interpolations."-you
How were you able to make that assessment/judgment, without an infallible source authority, by which to compare all these "the bible"'s?
Translated: Here is a error filled "the bible," and I will use it, to determine "numerous mistranslations and interpolations."
=appealing to imperfection, to arrive at perfection=can't be done, fraud.
Take your seat-we've seen this fraud before. You think you are being "original," and "scholarly."
Evidence is proven or disproved by what the Bible says, not what Josephus says.
Origin of the Cross
Nick,
If you throw Josephus out, you better be prepared to throw much of the New Testament out. He is a very important reference to the very validity of Jesus's existence.
Um... The Talmud does indeed mention, but... We'll.. I'm not so sure that's a good place to go. Anger at Him is very apparent in those writings.
Like as in Mary lied... Jesus was a no good scorcher. On the flip. The denial of His Devine birth and recognition of his miracles does give Him even more validity, and would suggest religious leaders were angry enough to ensure He was crucified.
Nick,
If you throw Josephus out, you better be prepared to throw much of the New Testament out. He is a very important reference to the very validity of Jesus's existence.
Um... The Talmud does indeed mention, but... We'll.. I'm not so sure that's a good place to go. Anger at Him is very apparent in those writings.
Like as in Mary lied... Jesus was a no good scorcher. On the flip. The denial of His Devine birth and recognition of his miracles does give Him even more validity, and would suggest religious leaders were angry enough to ensure He was crucified.
On a different note.... What does it matter.... Stake, Cross, whatever.... His work was "Finished". Um... On the flip, to be naughty, I would like to point out that a cross was reserved for extreme punishment, not a stake.... Saint peters cross is the inverted cross, and has historical references to support that it was a cross. The record of the disciples fates gives the cross more validity.
Neither the Hebrew Bible nor the NT are secular with regard to their source material.
The word "jehovah" is not biblical.
CherubRam
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The J W translation is also a mistake. Quote: "...the New World Translation, goes so far as to translate "cross" and "crucify" as "torture stake" and "impale."
It should read "stake," and "staked out." Christ was not impaled.
CherubRam
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Our scriptures are copies of the copies. The Catholics removed the name of God from the scriptures. Yahshua directed us to call upon Yahwah. By the way, Jehovah is a corruption of God's personal name. Iahuah = Yahwah in modern English.
beameup
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"lashing out" at everyone?
"mischaracterizing" what is posted?
Sounds like a "mental" issue...
Rubbish on your part.
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.