That definitions can't explain your valuation of them...unless being a coward means nothing negative to you....it just a neutral fact to you. Which is it?
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That definitions can't explain your valuation of them...unless being a coward means nothing negative to you....it just a neutral fact to you. Which is it?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
just a neutral fact, when it comes to determining them
in other places in this thread I've addressed another reason for this, which is that as a society, we've been trained to be cowardly, to be sheep - that changed wrt hijacking on 911. It needs to change across society, so that mentally deranged losers like harper-merrcer will know that they'll meet resistance and not compliance
Ok, to clarify, if someone called you a coward you'd accept their claim as a neutral fact...no argument?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Aren't 'complacencies' neutral facts? Why is this important to you?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i didn't use that term
If they supplied evidence to your cowardness, would it upset you...lean you toward altering your future actions?
No but it follows your logic.
I would say emotion further qualifies perceived reason (neutral facts). It's THE motivating factor for taking the time in displaying said facts....just like you have via this thread.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
not if it was valid evidence
(and I think you were going for cowardliness or cowardice)
of course, if it was valid evidence
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Just an aside, and I've never realized this before - on 911 and immediately after I had a sense of apprehension - not from any fear of the jihadis or what they might do, but of us, what we might do. I just realized that what I was apprehensive about was this country's willingness to respond emotionally to an attack like this instead of in a reasoned manner. Same thing happened on 1207, sixty years prior.
Want to take a look at a blast from the past?
embarrassing
a different slant?
Want to take a look at a blast from the past?
embarrassing
a different slant?
So, in other words, "being a coward" means more than mere neutral facts may convey.
I like the OED for definitive definitions
Is "ignoble" an objective term?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
there's a definition for it, i'm sure, but I didn't use ignoble
i used "want of courage" (post 8)
and gave the definition for courage in post 13
Post 8:
I like the OED for definitive definitions
coward, n.
Pronunciation: /ˈkaʊəd/
Forms: ME cueard, cuard, ME cuward, couard, couward, couwarde, couherde, ME–15 cowart, ... (Show More)
Etymology: < Old French coart (cohart , cuard , cowairt , later couart , couard ... (Show More)
A. n.
Thesaurus »
1. A reproachful designation for one who displays ignoble fear or want of courage in the face of danger, pain, or difficulty; an ignobly faint-hearted or pusillanimous person.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Post 8:
I like the OED for definitive definitions
coward, n.
Pronunciation: /ˈkaʊəd/
Forms: ME cueard, cuard, ME cuward, couard, couward, couwarde, couherde, ME–15 cowart, ... (Show More)
Etymology: < Old French coart (cohart , cuard , cowairt , later couart , couard ... (Show More)
A. n.
Thesaurus »
1. A reproachful designation for one who displays ignoble fear or want of courage in the face of danger, pain, or difficulty; an ignobly faint-hearted or pusillanimous person.
Yes, that's it
Are you suggesting that there exists a NOBLE want of courage?
I don't see it, which is why I disregarded that part of the definition
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I'm not suggesting anything. The dictionary suggests it..
As I said earlier, the military goes to great effort to turn civilians into soldiers. You have to be drilled to respond to a danger by attacking it, rather than freezing or running. It doesn't come naturally- so I think you have exaggerated expectations from civilians.
Have you been in the military?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok, we can consider it in the context of the situation at Umpqua
the actions of Matthew Downing - clearly a lack of courage.
Can you make the argument that his lack of courage was noble?
and as I've said earlier, the same is true of first responders, EMT's, ER staff, etc. Constant training.
on the contrary, I have pointed out that modern society trains our children to be compliant sheep
when I was a scout leader we trained our boys to be prepared
i have not
have you?