No Death Penalty. What Is Your Position?

[Arthur Brain]

... then he's guessing and the examples of countries like iran and somali prove him wrong




... then you're guessing too and the examples of countries like iran and somalia prove you wrong

Yeah, cos these countries really respect their women and they just sooo have the same rights as men. That thirteen year old child was raped by three men according to Amnesty International and what voice did she have? None, as with most women and children in backwards societies like that. The stoning of this young, helpless girl was pathetic and sickening beyond words.

 

[ok doser]

It's not "changing" anything. They tried to spring a trap ...

scripture says "6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him."

, said trap was undermined

scripture doesn't say that

and they were convicted one by one to shuffle off.

and scripture doesn't say that either

why change what scripture clearly says?

You're the one trying to interpret stuff here and change "without sin"

how do you interpret "without sin"?

to a specific one of perverting the law.

later in the passage, He gives the woman an impossible command regarding sin, impossible if we use your interpretation

if we use mine, He gives her a reasonable command

 

[Arthur Brain]

... inconsequential when it comes to affecting marriage rates

In countries like that, quite possibly considering how women are regarded and treat. Other here, whole different ball game.

 

[ok doser]

... The stoning of this young, helpless girl .....

...had no apparent effect on marriage rates

 

[ok doser]

In countries like that, quite possibly considering how women are regarded and treat. Other here, whole different ball game.

:darwinsm:

artie: "making adultery a capital crime will make marriage rates plummet!"
dozer: "here's two countries that prosecute adultery as capital crime and their marriage rates aren't affected"
artie: "they don't count!"


:darwinsm:

 

[Arthur Brain]

scripture says "6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him."



scripture doesn't say that




and scripture doesn't say that either

why change what scripture clearly says?





how do you interpret "without sin"?




later in the passage, He gives the woman an impossible command regarding sin, impossible if we use your interpretation

if we use mine, He gives her a reasonable command

Scripture says they were trying to trap Jesus so there's that. Their ruse failed, said trap was undermined with a few words and they were convicted by their consciences to "leave" if shuffle off is somehow that much different for you. Sin doesn't mean one sin of perverting the law as you seem desperate to encapsulate the passage as. It would have been very easy to reduce it to just that. The woman was hardly guilty of attempting to pervert the law so your interpretation makes no sense.

Feel free to indulge in it if you want. Biblical scholars don't share the same.

 

[Arthur Brain]

:darwinsm:

artie: "making adultery a capital crime will make marriage rates plummet!"
dozer: "here's two countries that prosecute adultery as capital crime and their marriage rates aren't affected"
artie: "they don't count!"


:darwinsm:

How many rights do you think women have in countries like that?

Are you seriously not able to do the math here?

:AMR:

 

[Arthur Brain]

...had no apparent effect on marriage rates

:doh:

Why would it in barbaric places like these? You think a woman has a say in anything? You're either playing outright dumb here or just deliberately trolling and your attitude towards the plight of this thirteen year old child says it all.

 

[ok doser]

Sin doesn't mean one sin of perverting the law ...

chair agreed, first century scribes and pharisees would not have recognized the concept of original sin

they would heve been thinking of a single specific sin

It would have been very easy to reduce it to just that. The woman was hardly guilty of attempting to pervert the law so your interpretation makes no sense.

Jesus told her to "go and sin no more"

that is an impossible command if viewed through the lens of original sin

it is a very reasonable command if you read it as "go and don't commit the sin of adultery no more"

Biblical scholars don't share the same.

appeal to authority :yawn:

 

[JudgeRightly]

How many rights do you think women have in countries like that?

Are you seriously not able to do the math here?

:AMR:

What does that have to do with it? You're argument is non-sequitur, it doesn't follow.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Just because some countries that do not give women the same rights as other countries are wicked DOES NOT MEAN that executing adulterers/adulteresses is wrong.

 

[JudgeRightly]

:doh:

Why would it in barbaric places like these? You think a woman has a say in anything? You're either playing outright dumb here or just deliberately trolling and your attitude towards the plight of this thirteen year old child says it all.

Do you think God was barbaric for implementing the death penalty in the first place?

 

[ok doser]

... the plight of this thirteen year old child ...

... has had no apparent affect on marriage rates

 

[Arthur Brain]

What does that have to do with it? You're argument is non-sequitur, it doesn't follow.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Just because some countries that do not give women the same rights as other countries are wicked DOES NOT MEAN that executing adulterers/adulteresses is wrong.

These places can execute child rape victims as adulteresses so using them as an example that marriage rates aren't affected is redundant because women and girls don't have rights, as exemplified with the sickening article provided.

Stoning people to death for infidelity is absolutely wrong. We don't live in ancient times where laws reflected the harshness of such. It's only religious extremism that allows the atrocity like above to happen and yours is no better.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Do you think God was barbaric for implementing the death penalty in the first place?

As above.

 

[Arthur Brain]

chair agreed, first century scribes and pharisees would not have recognized the concept of original sin

they would heve been thinking of a single specific sin



Jesus told her to "go and sin no more"

that is an impossible command if viewed through the lens of original sin

it is a very reasonable command if you read it as "go and don't commit the sin of adultery no more"



appeal to authority :yawn:

They make a lot more sense than you.

 

[ok doser]

... Stoning people to death for infidelity is absolutely wrong....

...because emotional "reasons" :dizzy:


how wrong is it to raise a child in a society like yours in which he/she is told that perversion is normal, that immorality is OK?

 

[ok doser]

Do you think God was barbaric for implementing the death penalty in the first place?

apparently He was "absolutely wrong"

 

[Arthur Brain]

...because emotional "reasons" :dizzy:


how wrong is it to raise a child in a society like yours in which he/she is told that perversion is normal, that immorality is OK?

The society I live in would outright condemn the stoning of a young girl to death.

 

[ok doser]

The society I live in would ....

....absolutely encourage children to embrace perversion and immorality

 

[JudgeRightly]

These places can execute child rape victims as adulteresses so using them as an example that marriage rates aren't affected is redundant because women and girls don't have rights, as exemplified with the sickening article provided.

You need to back off for a minute and calm down. Your emotions are getting in the way of discussion.

No one here is condoning such behavior.

The argument was put forth by Wiz that having a law that makes adultery a capital crime would deter people from marrying and that the marriage rate would drop to near zero.

Ok doser responded by providing two countries that execute people for adultery (even if such law is misused) which show no deterrent effect towards people marrying, thereby falsifying Wiz's claim.

Do you perhaps have any examples of countries where the marriage rate is nearly zero due to it making adultery a capital crime?

Stoning people to death for infidelity is absolutely wrong.

So God was absolutely wrong for requiring the death penalty for adulterers and adulteresses?

Because that's exactly what you just said.

If stoning people to death for adultery is absolutely wrong (which means it doesn't matter what the circumstances are or when or where it is done, then God should not have given Israel the law which said to do so, because He would have been commanding them to do evil.

We don't live in ancient times where laws reflected the harshness of such.

See above.

It's only religious extremism that allows the atrocity like above to happen and yours is no better.

Well, no, it isn't.

It's caused by people who REJECT God, not by people who love Him.

As above.