Partly, yes, to balance the hugely unbalanced antiliberal inventions in the earlier post.
Two wrongs don't make a right!
Partly, yes, to balance the hugely unbalanced antiliberal inventions in the earlier post.
What is puzzling to me, is how hard you're working at dismissing it when the evidence is all around you. And IN you, even.Naw, I think using 1) the internet, and 2) a microcosm for a random sampling is bias. I "don't" think going all over a city and finding expectations fitting opposite facts is a 'lack of perception.' Simply, I think the study isn't sufficient to really give anything BUT confirmation bias. Why? Because a) it wasn't extensive enough for the sampling b) it wasn't as 'clear' over what was actually being measured, etc. etc. Shoddy work, is shoddy work BUT gives the opportunity to gripe, I suppose. I see the opposite, as I said, so there you go.
Do you think TOL is representative of the world?
As has been pointed out to you, redistribution of wealth and not punishing offenders are liberal ideals.
I used that language in reference to these characteristics as we find them here on TOL.What was unclear is if the study said anything about Christians and Muslims wanting 'maximum' and 'excessive' punishments or if that was just your language. Based on what I saw the study didn't talk about what types of punishment were to be used at all.
No, but I do think it's representative of contemporary absolutist religiosity.Do you think TOL is representative of the world?
What you and others are ignoring is the difference between wanting to stop the abuse, and wanting to punish the abuser.I put more general thoughts on the study in post 50, if you are interested. Here it is again:
For the part of the study about punishment, something I'm curious about is if answers would change if the children were answering about being harmed themselves instead of watching strangers. I'd like to think that if the Christian children were answering about that then they'd be more likely to give mercy. But when it's someone else? Some kind of punishment is understandable.
Yes.The part about altruism is disappointing. I mean, it's only stickers so I'm not sure how easily you can extrapolate that to more serious situations, but it's still something.
The religionists on this thread, and in the study, presume that those who do not want to punish the abuser, did not care about those being abused.
Well, at least you admit the study was not accurate. Yet, you're still pointing to the self evident to support the conclusions of the bogus study.What is puzzling to me, is how hard you're working at dismissing it when the evidence is all around you. And IN you, even.
Let me ask you this: what do you see as being the negative effects of being religious? If an accurate study had been done, what do you believe it would find to be the negative characteristics of religiosity, regarding human interaction?
Do you really not see how prejudicial and bigoted you're being?
Religions encourage judgmentalism and retribution. Religious parents tend to be obsessed with obedience and therefor likewise obsessed with punishing disobedience. Five minutes on TOL will provide AMPLE evidence of this. Even this thread is a shining example of it. And if religious parents behave this way, it's only natural that their kids will behave this way as well. Which is what this study is pointing out.
So no one is falling into any bias, here. They're simply stating what is easily observable to anyone with eyes. Religionists think they are kind and merciful toward others, because of their religion. When in fact, they tend to be less kind and less merciful toward others because of their religion. And the reason is because religions stress obedience as a means of influence and control. They tend to become authoritarian above all else. Adherence to their rules becomes their most important condition. Not mercy, or forgiveness, nor kindness toward others.
You are a riot! You think secularists and atheists are less judgmental and less into retribution?? Just look at what's happening with political correctness! What happens when you dare to question the AGW dogma! Or, God forbid, become the Republican frontrunner! Oh you guys have your own religion alright, much much more judgmental than Christianity! The sad part is how you can't even see it.
You ignore all the valid criticisms of your little study, and simply go by your own prejudices to validate your own feelings of superiority.
You are part of them for taking their ideology so serious. This makes you a half-breed, a cross between the secular and what remains free of it. Essentially, you are caught up in the same existential nihilism and metaphysical solipsism as all those who are willing to submit and surrender their own minds for the sake of baseless self-sacrifice.
To be free, you need to be rational, and to accomplish this one need to to be able to freely discriminate the material world from the rootless idealism of Utopian delusions. We naturally live by our prejudices and habits, which makes possible, human action.
Utopian delusions deny your human individualism. To deny yourself is to fail to offer to God any substantial being-ness worthy of his creation.
Good.Where have you been? Anna is not a Conservative.
But, I AM!
I think you are right on.Sadly, my guess would be that they are, themselves, the victims of mean-spirited religious authoritarians. It's a well known phenomenon that children who experience abuse from their parents and teachers tend to grow up to be abusive parents and teachers. And when all this is being justified by "God"; I suspect it's all the more so.
No. To be kind is to care about others. Allowing them to be harmed is neither caring nor kind.
Mercy doesn't protect anyone. The law should not be merciful.
It appears to be what you claim they believe and teach. Anyone can make claims in accordance with their prejudice.
Religious children are meaner than their secular counterparts, study finds...This doesn't surprise me in the least.
Where have you been? Anna is not a Conservative.
But, I AM!
...It's clear as day even here on TOL...
Punishing bad behavior does not work. Otherwise, with all the war that has been fought should have resulted in world peace.“I’m punitive because I’m kind. I want bad behavior punished...Can morality exist objectively if there is no God--the question [that] they do not follow.” ~ Dennis Prager Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Nu 35:31
See:
God and the Death Penalty by Bob Enyart
This comment sounds like a bias against all things academic, scientific or intellectual.an academic educatoid could not say it any better