genuineoriginal
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As long as Christians look towards the Vatican for Mystery Babylon, the real Hidden Babylon will remain hidden from their eyes.
Mystery Babylon
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The Catholic Church uses preterism to determine that Babylon was pagan Rome, and not Christian Rome.
This was in defense to Luther and Calvin's declaration that the Pope was the son of perdition. But even the Methodists over a century later still deemed the Roman Church the seat of the Antichrist upon splitting from the Anglicans.
I'm looking at the Catholic argument on this thread and wondering if they are aware of their own church's teaching :think:
This was in defense to Luther and Calvin's declaration that the Pope was the son of perdition. But even the Methodists over a century later still deemed the Roman Church the seat of the Antichrist upon splitting from the Anglicans.
I'm looking at the Catholic argument on this thread and wondering if they are aware of their own church's teaching :think:
linger: They're hoping you look at :CRASH: Islam.
We're smarter now (e.g. Second Law of Thermodynamics). We make things go. :freak:
Everyone has always known that the antichrist will be a pope.
linger: Maybe there is time for one more pope (e.g. Adolfo Nicolas). :idunno: Rome has had a long line of antichrists that would fit the bill (1 Jn 2:18).
CherubRam
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Preterism holds that the contents of Revelation constitute a prophecy of events that were fulfilled in the 1st century. Preterists believe the dating of the book of Revelation is of vital importance and that it was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
Preterism is for those who lack spiritual discernment. The book of Revelation is an overview of events for 2000 and 3000 years.
Preterism is for those who lack spiritual discernment. The book of Revelation is an overview of events for 2000 and 3000 years.
CherubRam
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Mystery Babylon
Quoting: Mr. Rev. Clarence Larkin. “When Attalus, the Pontiff and King of Pergamos, died B.C. 133, he bequeathed the Headship of the Babylonian Priesthood to Rome. When the Etruscans came to Italy from Lydia (The region of Pergamos), they brought with them the Babylonian religion and rites. They set up a Pontiff who was head of the Priesthood. Later the Romans accepted this Pontiff as their civil ruler. Julius Caesar was made Pontiff of the Etruscan Order in B.C. 74. In B. C. 63, he was made Supreme Pontiff of the “Babylonian Order,” thus becoming heir to the rights an title of Attalus, Pontiff of Pergamos…Thus the first Roman Emperor become head of the “Babylonian Priesthood” and Rome the successor of Babylon (p. 151-152).” ...Constantine the Great coinage carried the symbols of the sun-cult until 324. Even when he dedicated the new capital of Constantinople, which became the seat of Byzantine Christianity for a millennium, he did so wearing the Apollonian sun-rayed Diadem. Constantine was the Pagan High priest of the Babylonian Mystery cult.
Attalus III (in Greek Attalos III) Philometor Euergetes (ca 170 BC – 133 BC) was the last Attalid king of Pergamon, ruling from 138 BC to 133 BC.
Rev. Alexander Hislop states: “… There never has been any difficulty in the mind of any enlightened Protestant in identifying the woman sitting on seven hills, and having on her fore head the name written ‘Mystery, Babylon the great,’ with the Roman apostasy. No other city in the world has ever been celebrated, as the city of Rome has … for its situation on seven hills (p. 2).”
Mystery Babylon.
That city is Rome, and more specifically, Vatican City.
Catholic apologist Karl Keating admits that Rome has long been known as Babylon. Keating claims that Peter's statement "The church here in Babylon ... sends you her greeting" (from I Peter 5:13) proves that Peter was writing from Rome. He explains further:
"Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible [four of the six are in chapters 17 and 18 and in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159f.), the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and 4 Esdras (3:1).
Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that "it is said that Peter's first epistle... was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon."
As for "Mystery," that name imprinted on the woman's forehead is the perfect designation for Vatican City. Mystery is at the very heart of Roman Catholicism, from the words "Mysterium fide" pronounced at the alleged transformation of the bread and wine into the literal body and blood of Christ to the enigmatic apparitions of Mary around the world.
Every sacrament, from baptism to extreme unction, manifests the mysterious power which the faithful must believe the priests wield, but for which there is no visible evidence. Rome's new Catechism explains that liturgy "aims to initiate souls into the mystery of Christ (It is 'mystagogy.')" and that all of the Church's liturgy is "mystery."
For more info see: http://remnantofgod.org/whoreofbabylon.htm
The Revelation of Jesus Christ is about the Day of the LORD.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day... (Revelation 1:10 NKJV)
The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD.
(Joel 2:31 NKJV)
The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD.
(Acts 2:20 NKJV)
The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD.
(Joel 2:31 NKJV)
The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD.
(Acts 2:20 NKJV)
SaulToPaul 2
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Zech 5
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
The new Jerusalem comes from God out of heaven, is it so offbase to think that Satan would mimic this and set a city on it's base in the land of Shinar?
8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.
9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?
11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
The new Jerusalem comes from God out of heaven, is it so offbase to think that Satan would mimic this and set a city on it's base in the land of Shinar?
genuineoriginal
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Matthew 15:14 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. |
CherubRam
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Mystery Babylon. Quoting: Mr. Rev. Clarence Larkin.
Clarence Larkin spoke of historical facts. There is a difference between facts and an opinion. Open your eyes.
You are absolutely right. Peace
That's because full preterists fail to take into consideration the years the books were written, which makes a really big difference if your book was written before or after the events you are trying to sweep under the rug. Peace
genuineoriginal
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Of course there is.
That is an example of historical fact.
That is an example of an opinion.
That is an example of an opinion.
That is an example of an opinion.
I am glad we got that cleared up.
The blind that are mistaking opinion for fact are headed for the ditch.
What has to be understood of Rome being 'Mystery Babylon' is that Roman Catholic belief, in and of itself, has it's origins in Babylonian beliefs.
Where the church in Rome had become Christian, it never fully shed it's paganism. There is a reason why Catholicism is so different then that of a Bible teaching church.
They spend so much time with Mary because of their former fascination to Mithras. They believe in rites because of their dealings to their gods before. They hold to works because they had no concept of faith alone, and they have apostolic succession for no other reason than order.
The Pope's hat has pagan symbols on it for crying out loud- before Rome is Christian, they are first pagan. They do a very fine job swooning Muslims and Jews, and leave Protestants to confide in themselves.
Nobody has to 'prove' that Rome is a falsehood, she shows it all be herself.
Where the church in Rome had become Christian, it never fully shed it's paganism. There is a reason why Catholicism is so different then that of a Bible teaching church.
They spend so much time with Mary because of their former fascination to Mithras. They believe in rites because of their dealings to their gods before. They hold to works because they had no concept of faith alone, and they have apostolic succession for no other reason than order.
The Pope's hat has pagan symbols on it for crying out loud- before Rome is Christian, they are first pagan. They do a very fine job swooning Muslims and Jews, and leave Protestants to confide in themselves.
Nobody has to 'prove' that Rome is a falsehood, she shows it all be herself.
genuineoriginal
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That is a nice theory, but it fails when you look at what scripture actually states about Mystery Babylon being a large city instead of the assumption that it is a religion.
genuineoriginal
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Mystery Babylon is a great city.
To see what a "great city" means, we can look at another city that was called a "great city" in the Bible:
Nineveh was called a great city because it was so large it took three days to travel through it.
Nineveh was called a great city because it had 120,000 people in it.
Nineveh is called a great city because it is large and has a lot of people in it.
Now compare this to the city that many people are claiming is Mystery Babylon:
A population of 842?
No, that just doesn't fit.
Revelation 17:18 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. |
To see what a "great city" means, we can look at another city that was called a "great city" in the Bible:
Nineveh was called a great city because it was so large it took three days to travel through it.
Jonah 3:3 3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey. |
Nineveh was called a great city because it had 120,000 people in it.
Jonah 4:11 11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle? |
Nineveh is called a great city because it is large and has a lot of people in it.
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Nineveh
At this time, the total area of Nineveh comprised about 7 square kilometres (1,730 acres), and fifteen great gates penetrated its walls. An elaborate system of eighteen canals brought water from the hills to Nineveh, and several sections of a magnificently constructed aqueduct erected by Sennacherib were discovered at Jerwan, about 65 kilometres (40 mi) distant.[15] The enclosed area had more than 100,000 inhabitants (maybe closer to 150,000), about twice as many as Babylon at the time, placing it among the largest settlements worldwide.
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Nineveh
At this time, the total area of Nineveh comprised about 7 square kilometres (1,730 acres), and fifteen great gates penetrated its walls. An elaborate system of eighteen canals brought water from the hills to Nineveh, and several sections of a magnificently constructed aqueduct erected by Sennacherib were discovered at Jerwan, about 65 kilometres (40 mi) distant.[15] The enclosed area had more than 100,000 inhabitants (maybe closer to 150,000), about twice as many as Babylon at the time, placing it among the largest settlements worldwide.
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Now compare this to the city that many people are claiming is Mystery Babylon:
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Vatican City officially the Vatican City State is a walled enclave within the city of Rome. With an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of 842, it is the smallest internationally recognized independent state in the world by both area and population.
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Vatican City officially the Vatican City State is a walled enclave within the city of Rome. With an area of approximately 44 hectares (110 acres), and a population of 842, it is the smallest internationally recognized independent state in the world by both area and population.
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A population of 842?
No, that just doesn't fit.
whitestone
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Where is the woman who is riding the beast in Daniel?,,Why is there no woman on those beast? There is a woman riding the beast in Revelation,but no woman in Daniel.This is the woman you are looking for.,,,