Myself and Welfare
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Debating if it's a good thing to do for a company to find loopholes in a corrupt system, in the long term, does not matter. As I said, you could weigh the pros and cons, but either way, you'd be promoting, to an extent, a wicked and unjust system.
Rather than do such, I am advocating getting rid of the unjust system and replacing it with one that is just.
Carry on then....keep fighting the good fight!
Then they don't have enough to eat.
No.
The ones that earn money to feed their families should not have a group designated to TAKE money from their pockets to care for everyone else.
Any money given to support strangers should be voluntary, not mandatory.
Stay out of their so-called "charity" business, as FORCING people to give is not charity at all, it's theft.
So, do you know anyone who gets most of their money from welfare?
No. But I don't know how people get on welfare or what it is.
So you haven't met yourself?
Incorrect.
You just got finished telling us you get most of your money from the government.
Interesting. Is that your definition of welfare? Are you a Citizen of the United States of America?
To which question?
I already answered the first.
Judge Rightly, so what would YOU do if you lost your job through no fault of your own and could not afford rent and food etc ? Do you really think family and friends or private charities will be able to help you and your family for as long as you needed ? If so, you are extremely naive .
What if you were (God forbid ) injured so badly in an accident you were no longer able to work at all ? Or you came down ( God forbid ) with some serious illness or disorder through no fault of your own ? What if the costs of medical care were too high for you to afford ? Or God forbid , one of your children or spouse had the same thing happen to them ?
I would never want this to happen to you or your family, but what if it did ? Who will pay for the expensive medical treatment if you can't ?
Would you like do die a slow, agonizing death from some terrible disease because you couldn't afford treatment ? Or a loved one ? Would you like to lose your home because you couldn't afford rent and be on the street with your family and had lost your home because you lost your job ? . Well, without government help, you WOULD . And so would other Americans .
The US government has absolutely no right to allow people who are down on their luck to starve, die and suffer . No government does . But if you voted fro Trump, you are increasing your chances of being up the creek without a paddle . Be careful what you ask for . You just might get it .
And is it the right thing to do to allow helpless children and infants to live like this ?
What if you were (God forbid ) injured so badly in an accident you were no longer able to work at all ? Or you came down ( God forbid ) with some serious illness or disorder through no fault of your own ? What if the costs of medical care were too high for you to afford ? Or God forbid , one of your children or spouse had the same thing happen to them ?
I would never want this to happen to you or your family, but what if it did ? Who will pay for the expensive medical treatment if you can't ?
Would you like do die a slow, agonizing death from some terrible disease because you couldn't afford treatment ? Or a loved one ? Would you like to lose your home because you couldn't afford rent and be on the street with your family and had lost your home because you lost your job ? . Well, without government help, you WOULD . And so would other Americans .
The US government has absolutely no right to allow people who are down on their luck to starve, die and suffer . No government does . But if you voted fro Trump, you are increasing your chances of being up the creek without a paddle . Be careful what you ask for . You just might get it .
And is it the right thing to do to allow helpless children and infants to live like this ?
I would go to friends, family, or neighbors, and see if they could provide for me until I find a job, then I would start looking for a job.
Who said anything about "private charities"?
My hope would be that they would be willing to help as much as is possible. And if not, then that's ok.
Why?
Considering that there are paralyzed people who have jobs, I don't see where you're getting the "you were no longer able to work" bit...
Here's the article, btw: https://nextshark.com/japan-cafe-paralyzed-robot-servers/
So, next time you think that people can't work because of some disability, think of those who are paralyzed and still able to work.
"Disorder"? Such as?
If I got sick, then I would hope that I have saved up enough to afford the medical care that I need (which, in a society with only 5% personal increase tax, would not be very hard to do.
Why would they be too high? They're too high now because of the system we have currently.
Then again, I would hope that I have saved up enough to pay for any medical costs, again, which would not be hard to do.
I should hope not...
Then I would go to friends, family, neighbors and ask for help.
:idunno:
If I couldn't afford it, I would hope that my family, friends, or neighbors would be charitable enough that, if I asked them, they would be willing to help, or even if I could work to pay them back, somehow.
See above.
This is called question begging. You are assuming that which you must prove.
It has no right to do anything other than provide infrastructure and a good criminal justice system and military.
I didn't vote, period.
And this is an appeal to emotion.
The fact is, many children do, and it's because of the system we have now. If we get rid of the welfare and social safety nets we have, people will be able to afford the things they need to survive, even thrive.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
this is the first intelligent thing you've said in your silly rant
the government does not have rights - none, nada, zip
it has responsibilities and it has restrictions
go back to seventh grade, take a remedial civics class and come back and have a discussion in which your ignorance is less obvious
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
the horn reminds me of the exchange between kathy newman and jordan peterson in which newman asks "Why should your right to freedom of speech trump a trans person’s right not to be offended?”
peterson took the high road in responding, because he had a broader point to make
i would have pounced on her infantile suggestion that a "trans person" (or anyone at all) had a "right not to be offended" :dizzy:
this illustrates the difficulty in having a discussion with leftists/liberals like the horn - they are operating in an alternate universe where feelings have more weight than logic, reason and evidence
peterson took the high road in responding, because he had a broader point to make
i would have pounced on her infantile suggestion that a "trans person" (or anyone at all) had a "right not to be offended" :dizzy:
this illustrates the difficulty in having a discussion with leftists/liberals like the horn - they are operating in an alternate universe where feelings have more weight than logic, reason and evidence