Militarized Police

[Christ's Word]

Here's a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

"When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified." Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

Additional information from the courts:

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

 

[Daniel1611]

The police are like an occupying army. And every other day there's a new video of cops beating or killing people. There's check points being set up everywhere. "Vare are your papers? Your papers are not in order!" That's what we're coming to, and most of the public loves it. They love constant war and militarization of everything. They want government making sure they behave properly and eat healthy and only ingest the government sponsored corporate drugs and chemicals.

 

[GFR7]

The police are like an occupying army. And every other day there's a new video of cops beating or killing people. There's check points being set up everywhere. "Vare are your papers? Your papers are not in order!" That's what we're coming to, and most of the public loves it. They love constant war and militarization of everything. They want government making sure they behave properly and eat healthy and only ingest the government sponsored corporate drugs and chemicals.

They always said Americans are too "freedom-loving" to allow a police state to gain a foothold. The past 15 years have proven this to be wrong.

 

[THall]

I think many Americans
are getting tired of the
checkpoints and violations
of the L.E. force continueum ladder.

Many policemen under 50
lack common sense, and that
makes the cure worse than
the disease. When a citizen
makes a call for service, they
want help. They don't want
their dog killed, or their child
shot, or the state violating
their sovereignty as a parent.

 

[GFR7]

I think many Americans
are getting tired of the
checkpoints and violations
of the L.E. force continueum ladder.

Many policemen under 50
lack common sense, and that
makes the cure worse than
the disease. When a citizen
makes a call for service, they
want help. They don't want
their dog killed, or their child
shot, or the state violating
their sovereignty as a parent.

BBM -Absolutely. Well stated. I am only surprised it has taken this long for people to begin to openly show their anger. It has been decades coming. . .

 

[journey]

The police make millions of contacts every day, and only a tiny percentage of those contacts involves any wrongdoing by the police. However, you can bet that tiny percentage will make the news. All of the good done by the police will remain unnoticed by the news media. This is why one mistake by a single officer can stain the reputation of an entire department for years.

 

[GFR7]

The police make millions of contacts every day, and only a tiny percentage of those contacts involves any wrongdoing by the police. However, you can bet that tiny percentage will make the news. All of the good done by the police will remain unnoticed by the news media. This is why one mistake by a single officer can stain the reputation of an entire department for years.

I'd like to think you're right. But I keep seeing tons of unbelievable police abuse via video, social media, news. The disabled tasered and shot. Dogs shot. The elderly abused. Teens shot through the head.

I think what you are saying did apply in a prior era. But although many cops are decent, there does seem to be some sort of insane trend toward police unaccountability and arrogance. And Ortega y Gasset was predicting this in 1933, as he saw the tremendous increase in police forces throughout Europe and the Untied States. He predicted it would end in total police arrogance and hubris, and many believe we've reached that point now.

 

[journey]

I'd like to think you're right. But I keep seeing tons of unbelievable police abuse via video, social media, news. The disabled tasered and shot. Dogs shot. The elderly abused. Teens shot through the head.

I think what you are saying did apply in a prior era. But although many cops are decent, there does seem to be some sort of insane trend toward police unaccountability and arrogance. And Ortega y Gasset was predicting this in 1933, as he saw the tremendous increase in police forces throughout Europe and the Untied States. He predicted it would end in total police arrogance and hubris, and many believe we've reached that point now.

"Tons" - how many out of the millions of contacts every day? As an example, what is the grand total of all of the cases you know about right now?

 

[Christ's Word]

The police make millions of contacts every day, and only a tiny percentage of those contacts involves any wrongdoing by the police.

Every checkpoint that stops someone from driving for driving, is unconstitutional. Every cop that shoots a homeless man in the back for illegal camping, or chokes a man out and kills him for not paying a cigarette tax is a huge problem. It is just not a problem to you because it did not happen to you or your spouse. Just wait till the police stop you and ask for your papers, and keep you on the side of the road for an hour.

How many murdered people are too much for you, give us a number?

 

[journey]

Every checkpoint that stops someone from driving for driving, is unconstitutional. Every cop that shoots a homeless man in the back for illegal camping, or chokes a man out and kills him for not paying a cigarette tax is a huge problem. It is just not a problem to you because it did not happen to you or your spouse. Just wait till the police stop you and ask for your papers, and keep you on the side of the road for an hour.

How many murdered people are too much for you, give us a number?

Apply the same standards to doctors, and we wouldn't have doctors. However, law enforcement officers do a much better job than doctors with much fewer mistakes. If you added up all of the bad cases you've ever heard about in your life, it would be miniscule compared to the millions of contacts that the police make every day.

DUI checkpoints are not unconstitutional. Drunk or drugged drivers kill about 25,000 people a year and maim or cripple hundreds more thousands. Are you happy about this, or do you think that something should be done about it?

 

[GFR7]

"Tons" - how many out of the millions of contacts every day? As an example, what is the grand total of all of the cases you know about right now?

Maybe my perception is skewed from watching too much cop block

 

[Christ's Word]

Apply the same standards to doctors, and we wouldn't have doctors. However, law enforcement officers do a much better job than doctors with much fewer mistakes. If you added up all of the bad cases you've ever heard about in your life, it would be miniscule compared to the millions of contacts that the police make every day.

DUI checkpoints are not unconstitutional. Drunk or drugged drivers kill about 25,000 people a year and maim or cripple hundreds more thousands. Are you happy about this, or do you think that something should be done about it?

Doctors don't intend to kill someone, they are trying to heal the sick. So when someone dies as a result of a Doctor's incompetence or negligence it is a problem, yet an unintended consequence. The policeman that shot that homeless man with an AR-15 intended to kill him and succeeded. He is a criminal that committed murder and violated the principles on which he was trained to exercise power in an unlawful and murderous way knowing the outcome in advance. BIG DIFFERENCE.

When malpractice occurs, no one says we should not have doctors, they say those that commit malpractice should not be doctors. When police murder someone, no sane person claims we should not have police, just that those that break laws should not be allowed to have badges and be charged with upholding the law. Your argument is histrionic at best and completely moronic on it's face.

Most DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional because they don't abide by the Supreme Courts guidelines for a checkpoint. The police don't care, that is why they ignore the guidelines.

Your fake facts about drunks killing 25,000 a year are wrong, most studies show that alcohol is involved in about 40 to 50 percent of auto deaths, which is no where near 25,000 per year. Educate yourself before spouting off. People like you use statistics like a drunk uses a light pole, for support instead of for illumination.

 

[Christ's Word]

Maybe my perception is skewed from watching too much cop block

Or, maybe because of this? This article is a must read.

FBI, POLICE TURN ENTIRE TOWN INTO CHECKPOINT, INTERROGATE DRIVERS


http://www.infowars.com/fbi-police-turn-entire-town-into-checkpoint-interrogate-drivers/



"This is the second time in recent years that police have imposed what amounts to an mass investigative detention as part of a crime investigation,” writes William Norman Grigg, pointing to a similar approach after a June 2012 bank robbery in in Aurora, Colorado where everyone within the vicinity of the bank was placed in handcuffs.



As we reported last year, California Highway Patrol officers set up a checkpoint in a Sacramento suburb after a gang member shot and injured several law enforcement officials before going into hiding. An AP photograph showed one officer pointing a gun at the head of an innocent driver who happened to be passing through the checkpoint."

 

[GFR7]

Or, maybe because of this? This article is a must read.

FBI, POLICE TURN ENTIRE TOWN INTO CHECKPOINT, INTERROGATE DRIVERS


http://www.infowars.com/fbi-police-turn-entire-town-into-checkpoint-interrogate-drivers/

Right, how can you not become suspicious when you keep seeing things like this? In former decades, I didn't.

 

[GFR7]

And what they did in Watertown, MA after that Boston marathon bombing was absurd:

Why did they think anyone would harbor this guy? Wasn't it obvious he was on the run??

 

[Christ's Word]

Right, how can you not become suspicious when you keep seeing things like this? In former decades, I didn't.

I have lived in this country for almost 60 years, and these actions are unprecedented, certainly a new phenomena.

 

[THall]

I have lived in this country for almost 60 years, and these actions are unprecedented, certainly a new phenomena.

Actually not completely unprecedented.
We have in our history
a number of shameful
violations of citizen's rights.
Lincoln's political opponents
and the Americans with Japanese
blood during WWII come to mind.

 

[glorydaz]

And what they did in Watertown, MA after that Boston marathon bombing was absurd:

Why did they think anyone would harbor this guy? Wasn't it obvious he was on the run??

And isn't Eric the Withholder in charge of these guys?

 

[journey]

There is a well-defined system for handling REAL police misconduct:

Internal disciplinary actions for minor violations (i.e. being rude),

The criminal justice system for violations of the law,

The federal courts for civil and constitutional violations.

 

[THall]

Large Police departments usually
have a "Division of Professional Standards"
that a person should file a complaint
to, if an officer acts unprofessionally.
Medium size departments still call
their internal group "Internal Affairs"

In small Police Departments
a sergeant or shift commander
usually takes the complaint, and
is often the best person to speak
to if a problem arises. Often
you can get resolution without
having to go to court.