Michelle Obama Is A Woman

[JudgeRightly]

1: Murder is a legal term meaning the 'the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.'

Is the fetus in the womb of a human woman a human fetus?

2: Abortion is not illegal thus not murder.

Sorry, but that's redefining terms. You don't get to do that.

3: A foetus is not a baby. It is, at most, a potential human life and has a lesser value than the woman carrying it.

As Jefferson said, foetus is latin for baby.

Therefore, you are now claiming that A is not-A.

You are being irrational.

 

[OZOS]

During most abortions only a ZEF is removed.

Sorry to hear you failed basic biology in middle school.

From the link you provided...

Life

• Prenatal(fertilisation - birth)
  • Embryo- (fertilisation - 8 weeks of gestational phase)
    • Zygote, the point of conception, fertilization
    • blastocyst the period between conception and embryonic stages
    • Embryo; the embryonic period starts at three weeks and continues until the end of the 8th week of pregnancy
  • Foetus (8 weeks of gestational phase - birth)
• Child (birth- age of majority)
  • Neonate (newborn) (0-30 days)
  • Infant (baby) (1 month-1 year)
  • Toddler (1-4)
  • Play age (3 - 6 years)
  • Primary school age (also called prepubescence) (4-12)
    • Elementary school age (also called middle childhood) (4-8)
    • Preadolescence (preteen, or late childhood. The child in this and the previous phase are called schoolchild (schoolboy or schoolgirl), when still of primary school age.) (9-12)
• Adolescence and puberty (teenage) (13-19)
• Adult(20-death)
  • Young adult (20-25)
  • Early adulthood (20-39)
  • Middle age (40-59)
  • Advanced adult/Senior citizen (60+)
• Death (occurs at various ages, depending on person)
  
  
  Biological science confirms that every fertilized human egg (zygote) is a person (human being) in a stage of development.
  
  Murder: "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" Source: Dictionary.com
  
  Taking the life of an innocent human being (person), at any stage of development, is murder.
  
  Simple, really it is.
  
  

 

[kiwimacahau]

Except that it does.

Quite a lot, actually.

What Does the Bible Say About Abortion? | American Right to Life

The Bible contains passages that have direct bearing on the abortion issue, specifically to the crime of killing the unborn child, and generally to the "pro-choice" battle and the principles of life and death. There's a lot of scripture, so start with a topic that's most relevant to your...

americanrtl.org

The Bible calls the baby in the womb a "child." It affirms that if the baby in the womb is killed during the commission of a crime (and not the mother), the criminal should be put to death, because life for life. It describes the baby in the womb as being aware of his mother's surroundings.

Valueless? Not even close.



Are you claiming to be God?

You are quoting the passage in Exodus which actually says exactly the opposite. It is only if the woman is harmed that the lex talionis comes into play. For the miscarried foetus a fine is levied.

 

[Leatherneck]

You are quoting the passage in Exodus which actually says exactly the opposite. It is only if the woman is harmed that the lex talionis comes into play. For the miscarried foetus a fine is levied.

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psalms 139: says you have no integrity, truth and or honor.

 

[kiwimacahau]

Psalms 139: says you have no integrity, truth and or honor.

The Psalms are human responses to God. I, frankly, don't give a fetid dingos kidney what you think of me.

 

[Hilltrot]

You are quoting the passage in Exodus which actually says exactly the opposite. It is only if the woman is harmed that the lex talionis comes into play. For the miscarried foetus a fine is levied.

The word is not the word for miscarriage but rather premature birth.

 

[kiwimacahau]

Which is what a miscarriage is.

 

[marke]

Which is what a miscarriage is.

If a baby dies of natural causes then murder was not committed. But if a human butcher severs a baby's head from its tiny shoulders in order to satisfy a mother's desire to kill her baby then a murder was committed.

 

[Hilltrot]

Which is what a miscarriage is.

No, they are not the same.

A miscarriage implies the death of the baby.

A premature birth implies that the baby lives.

 

[Leatherneck]

The Psalms are human responses to God. I, frankly, don't give a fetid dingos kidney what you think of me.

The Psalms are much more than you will ever understand.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You are quoting the passage in Exodus which actually says exactly the opposite. It is only if the woman is harmed that the lex talionis comes into play. For the miscarried foetus a fine is levied.

No, that's you reading your preconceived notions into the text. Read it again, carefully.

Also, I don't know anyone named Lex Talionis.

 

[kiwimacahau]

No, that's you reading your preconceived notions into the text. Read it again, carefully.

Also, I don't know anyone named Lex Talionis.

1: No, actually. Let me quote:

Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth. Sources in the Talmud indicate that prior to 40 days of gestation, the fetus has an even more limited legal status, with one Talmudic authority (Yevamot 69b) asserting that prior to 40 days the fetus is “mere water.” Elsewhere, the Talmud indicates that the ancient rabbis regarded a fetus as part of its mother throughout the pregnancy, dependent fully on her for its life — a view that echoes the position that women should be free to make decisions concerning their own bodies.

Source

Further:"

The Torah does not address the issue directly. The principal biblical source for Jewish law on abortion is a passage in Exodus (Exodus 21:22-23) concerning a case in which two men are fighting and injure a pregnant woman, causing her to miscarry. The verse states that if no other harm is done, the person who caused the damage must pay compensatory damages, but if there is further harm, then he should pay with his life. The common rabbinic interpretation is that if the only harm that comes to the woman is the loss of the fetus, it is treated as a case of property damage — not murder.

The later rabbinic sources address the issue more directly, beginning with the Mishnah referenced above. Elsewhere, the Mishnah says that if a pregnant woman is sentenced to death, the execution can go forward provided she has not yet gone into labor, a further indication that Jewish law does not accord the fetus full human rights prior to birth.

Source: Ibid

As for your other comment, I type wearing gloves because of atopic dermatitis. I make not apologies for spelling errors I do not catch.

 

[Hilltrot]

1: No, actually. Let me quote:

Source

Further:"

You're posting about modern U.S. Jewish beliefs.

Christians believe in the Bible - not modern U.S. Jewish beliefs.

These Jews believe

1. Jesus is a bastard who is not the messiah.
2. Jesus did not rise from the dead.

They also plant graffiti such as

Says "Jesus is a monkey" in case you are wondering. (And lists a couple of settlements). This is what Jews believe.

So, your source means nothing to a Christian. They have rejected the messiah and by doing so have rejected God. Their opinion means nothing. The Talmud is not part of our scripture and means as much to Christians as the New Testament means to them.

 

[Hilltrot]

Lex Talionis

It means the law of retaliation.

 

[kiwimacahau]

You're posting about modern U.S. Jewish beliefs.

Christians believe in the Bible - not modern U.S. Jewish beliefs.

These Jews believe

1. Jesus is a bastard who is not the messiah.
2. Jesus did not rise from the dead.

They also plant graffiti such as
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Says "Jesus is a monkey" in case you are wondering. (And lists a couple of settlements). This is what Jews believe.

So, your source means nothing to a Christian. They have rejected the messiah and by doing so have rejected God. Their opinion means nothing. The Talmud is not part of our scripture and means as much to Christians as the New Testament means to them.

And your opinion is just that.

 

[Leatherneck]

And your opinion is just that.

As your opinion means nothing to a Christian.

 

[JudgeRightly]

1: No, actually. Let me quote:

Source

Further:"

Sorry, first of all, I'm not Jewish, and don't hold to their beliefs. I hold to what the Bible says.

Second, the Bible is quite clear, killing a child is wrong because he is made in God's image.

Denying that children in the womb are not human beings is to deny the humanity of Christ, because Mary was described as being "with child,"

Let me put it to you this way:

Jesus was referred to with "Him," "He," and "His," while still in the womb. You leftists sure love making a big deal about pronouns, so are you going to deny Jesus (who at the time was in the womb) His pronouns?

 

[kiwimacahau]

Sorry, first of all, I'm not Jewish, and don't hold to their beliefs. I hold to what the Bible says.

Second, the Bible is quite clear, killing a child is wrong because he is made in God's image.

Denying that children in the womb are not human beings is to deny the humanity of Christ, because Mary was described as being "with child,"

Let me put it to you this way:

Jesus was referred to with "Him," "He," and "His," while still in the womb. You leftists sure love making a big deal about pronouns, so are you going to deny Jesus (who at the time was in the womb) His pronouns?

What a load of tosh. The Bible only once mentions the killing of a child, other than encouraging it, and that is the Exodus passage where it is treated as a civil crime covered by the paying of a fine. Oh and as for the "I'm not Jewish" bit, 1: Jesus was and 2: You seem happy to overlay your beliefs onto their scriptures.

 

[OZOS]

"I'm not Jewish" bit, 1: Jesus was

And Jesus called those Jews, who are like you, "murderers". He also called them "children of the devil", which is also what you are.
Not to mention, you are anti-science, and have failed to agree with basic biology that every fertilized egg is a living human person in a stage of development.

 

[kiwimacahau]

And Jesus called those Jews, who are like you, "murderers". He also called them "children of the devil", which is also what you are.
Not to mention, you are anti-science, and have failed to agree with basic biology that every fertilized egg is a living human person in a stage of development.

Jesus opinion of the religious leaders of his time are his own. There are "children of the devil" aplenty here and now and very few of them Jewish. I have never denied the fact that a zef is a human life, what I deny is that it is a more important life than that of the woman carrying it.