And yet Luke quotes Jesus as saying, "For as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of Man will be to this generation."
(Luke 11:30)
Matthew 12:40
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And yet Luke quotes Jesus as saying, "For as Jonah became a sign to the Ninevites, so also the Son of Man will be to this generation."
(Luke 11:30)
Jonah was dead.
GOD restored his life.
Supernatural acts of GOD authenticate the messenger and the message.
Jesus was dead.
He was raised from the dead.
Supernatural acts of GOD confirm the messenger and the message.
The sign is not 72 hours.
What is the sign?
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Luke 16:31 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. |
Lon
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No, on the Gregorian calendar, a new day begins at midnight whereas the Jewish Calendar begins while people are still awake. It does change things the way we understand and keep track. It is hard to convey from one to the other and keep it accurately in mind, at times.
Well, of course not. How could it be? That is what scripture says, so why believe 72 hours? Especially when we can just make up whatever we want the scripture to say. How about 72 minutes or 72 fractions of a second?
Lon,
re: "No, on the Gregorian calendar, a new day begins at midnight whereas the Jewish Calendar begins while people are still awake."
I was including midnight as part of the evening. I may be incorrect, though, in thinking that the "evening" mentioned in Genesis means the dark portion of the calendar day.
BTW, what would the period be called if someone was still awake at midnight?
At any rate, what is your point in-so-far as it relates to the OP?
re: "No, on the Gregorian calendar, a new day begins at midnight whereas the Jewish Calendar begins while people are still awake."
I was including midnight as part of the evening. I may be incorrect, though, in thinking that the "evening" mentioned in Genesis means the dark portion of the calendar day.
BTW, what would the period be called if someone was still awake at midnight?
At any rate, what is your point in-so-far as it relates to the OP?
Mid-rats. If you're lucky with real eggs. Unlucky, powdered eggs. If you are really unlucky, powdered milk.
Jerry Shugart
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Jerry Shugart
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I am sure that is what you have been taught that but in reality the only thing which began in the evening on some days was the "sabbath rest." But the calenday day did not start in the evening but instead at the rising of the sun.
In the twentieth chapter of the Gospel of John we see the following events events that happened on resurrection Sunday, the first day of the week:
"The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre...Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her" (Jn.20:1,18).
The next verse proves that the evening of that day did not start a new day but instead remained a part of the first day of the week:
"Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you" (Jn.20:19).
Yes, Jerry, you are welcome to go by the interpretations of various rabbis or on the other hand some people go by scripture. So provide the scriptural definition of an onah.
Maybe you can find a rabbi that will claim that 10 minutes on Yom Kippur fulfills the requirement of the law concerning Atonement by claiming onah.
It seems many will go to great lengths to keep from accepting what is written.
Jerry Shugart
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Any part of a day is counted as a full day. For instance, in Esther 4:16 and 5:1 we see that the queen ordered a fast for three days but yet she held a banquet on the third day.
So only a part of the third say counted as the whole day.
So what counted as the first day of Jesus' entombment?
And what does the Greek word epiphosko mean?
Jerry Shugart
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His entombment began on the sixth day of the week. And the first day of entombment ended at the rising of the sun of the seventh day.
It means "to grow light, to dawn" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).
And the "evening" and the morning was the first day. Started by the night according to Genesis. The Jewish calendar is based on the lunar cycle and not the sun.
Jerry Shugart
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Then explain how the evening which followed the morning part of the first day of the the week could still be the "first day of the week"?
And why do we see the first day of the week begin at "dawn" here:
"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre" (Mt.28:1).
Absolutely right, Jerry.
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. (Luke 23:54 KJV)
The term "drew on" is from the Greek epiphosko, which means to dawn in a figurative sense. In other words a Sabbath began.
The RSV translates the verse this way: "It was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning."
Let's say for the sake of discussion that Rabbi Eleazer was using the word "onah" in a Hebrew context. If this is true then what is the Greek equivalent of onah?
If you will provide the Greek equivalent of onah I will check the interlinear and see if that is the word used in the Greek text.
If the Greek equivalent is not there then I will conclude that onah is not a valid translation of the Greek text.
Jerry Shugart
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The NASB translates the verse this way:
"It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin."
That is the only translation which makes sense. The "preparation day" was the day before the Sabbath, as witnessed by the words of Josephus here:
"...it seemed good to me and my counselors, according to the sentence and oath of the people of Rome, that the Jews have liberty to make use of their own customs, according to the law of their forefathers, as they made use of them under Hyrcanus the high priest of the Almighty God; and that their sacred money be not touched, but be sent to Jerusalem, and that it be committed to the care of the receivers at Jerusalem; and that they be not obliged to go before any judge on the sabbath day, nor on the day of the preparation to it, after the ninth hour" (Josephus, Ant. xvi. 6. 2).
Of course what Josephus wrote was not inspired of God but it is inconceivable that he would not know the meaning of the words "prepartion day."
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