Matthew 12:40
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I don't know that they would use such language but according to my use it would be the same as saying 'yesterday, such and such took place'.
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If one bases his understanding of the crucifixion week timeline on a presupposition that Matt 12:40 has to be a three X 24hr period and it can't be otherwise, then one must force the chronological narrative to fit. It's settled beforehand. It can't be otherwise.
But, if one reads the chronological narratives, one discovers that Christ instructed His disciples to prepare(hetoimazo) the passover 'on the day that the passover lambs were killed'. This, by GOD's commandment is the afternoon of the 14th Nisan. Then, Jesus sat down with the twelve and ate the passover. This is after sundown, the beginning of the 15th Nisan. That same night, he was betrayed and taken into custody. The next morning, still the 15th, He was taken to Pilate, then crucified, died and was buried before the beginning of the 16th Nisan at sundown. Before this sundown was the preparation (paraskeue) for the weekly sabbath, the 16th of Nisan. Then, He rose from the dead early on the 17th, which was the first day of the week.
There is not another day, and much less another two days(as some would have it) that can be pointed out in the chronological narratives.
If the chronological narrative of the gospels is true, then Matt 12:40 is a Hebraism, a Jewish idiom, which does not mean a literal 72 hours, but are parts of a three day period.
genuineoriginal
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The days we call Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are the three days and three nights, according to Ignatius.
False Prophet
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Jesus died before Good Friday.
steko,
re: "...according to my use it would be the same as saying 'yesterday, such and such took place'."
And "yesterday" would be Saturday. So if Saturday was one day ago, then Friday would be two days ago, and Thursday would be three days ago and not Friday as you say in post #50.
re: "...according to my use it would be the same as saying 'yesterday, such and such took place'."
And "yesterday" would be Saturday. So if Saturday was one day ago, then Friday would be two days ago, and Thursday would be three days ago and not Friday as you say in post #50.
genuineoriginal,
re: "The days we call Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are the three days and three nights, according to Ignatius."
I don't see where Ignatius provides an example from the time when the Gospels were written or before which shows a phrase stating a certain number of days and/or a certain number of nights to be contained in a period of time when the period of time absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of the specified number of days and at least parts of the specified number of nights.
re: "The days we call Friday, Saturday, and Sunday are the three days and three nights, according to Ignatius."
I don't see where Ignatius provides an example from the time when the Gospels were written or before which shows a phrase stating a certain number of days and/or a certain number of nights to be contained in a period of time when the period of time absolutely couldn't have included at least parts of the specified number of days and at least parts of the specified number of nights.
Right Divider
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You're still not understanding the Hebrew idiom whereby any part of a day is a day. You're stuck on the 24 hour thing.
The Greek epiphosko proves you wrong.
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Can you please show me a verse where that is used? You never give any references so that we can follow along.
Right Divider,
re: "You're still not understanding the Hebrew idiom whereby any part of a day is a day."
And I point out in post #9 that I agree, but that is not the issue for the purpose of the OP.
re: "You're stuck on the 24 hour thing."
Actually, you're the one that's stuck on the 24 hour thing. I've said nothing about 24 hours.
re: "You're still not understanding the Hebrew idiom whereby any part of a day is a day."
And I point out in post #9 that I agree, but that is not the issue for the purpose of the OP.
re: "You're stuck on the 24 hour thing."
Actually, you're the one that's stuck on the 24 hour thing. I've said nothing about 24 hours.
Luke 23:54.
When did he die?
genuineoriginal
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So, you don't see how a writer from the first century who states that Jesus died late on Friday, was in the grave all of Saturday, and rose early on Sunday uses the phrase "three days and three nights" when there are only two nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning?
Irregardless of whether it was an idiom or not, all the records from the first century about the crucifixion describe it as Jesus dying a Friday afternoon and Jesus rising on a Sunday morning.
The modern theory that Jesus really died on a Wednesday afternoon and rose on a Saturday afternoon is not supported by any historical documents.
Do you know what the sign was that identified Jesus as being the Christ?
genuineoriginal
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There are more signs than one.
But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:39-40)
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:39-40)
When Jesus said no sign except..., how many more signs do you think he gave?
WoundedEgo
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The fact that the writers of the scriptures couldn't get their story straight on the resurrection is not a good sign.
Did Jesus die on the Passover or feast on the Passover?
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