Matthew 12:40

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Samie

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genuineoriginal said:
You do not agree.

According to all records, Jesus died on the day of Preparation (Friday) and was raised after the Sabbath (on Sunday).
All this "Wednesday death Saturday resurrection" talk is anti-scriptural nonsense.
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I provided the Scriptural basis. I just agreed with the 3 days and 3 nights, and showed you evidence both Scriptural and astronomical. Disprove it, if you can.

You may either counter with Scriptural evidence not just with your mouth, or make up excuses, or run away and hide. Your choice.
 
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genuineoriginal said:
By claiming that each daylight and nighttime period in the three days and three nights must include all the hours of the daylight period and all the hours of the nighttime period to equal 72 hours, you are imposing man's reckoning of time on the text and not God's.
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"In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21).

In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning, a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.

Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time.

The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar)."

(The Jewish Encyclopedia/ Day)
 
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jamie said:
"The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar)."

(The Jewish Encyclopedia/ Day)
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It is true that the Jews reckon the day by adding the night to it, but God does not.
 
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Samie said:
I provided the Scriptural basis. I just agreed with the 3 days and 3 nights, and showed you evidence both Scriptural and astronomical. Disprove it, if you can.

You may either counter with Scriptural evidence not just with your mouth, or make up excuses, or run away and hide. Your choice.
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You have not provided any scriptural evidence for a Wednesday crucifixion and a Saturday resurrection.


Here is a historical account of what happened from a disciple of John, who heard it from the Apostle himself:
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Ignatius of Antioch (Ancient Greek: Ἰγνάτιος Ἀντιοχείας, Ignátios Antiokheías) (c.35 or 50 – 98 to c.108), also known as Ignatius Theophorus (Ιγνάτιος ὁ Θεοφόρος, Ignátios ho Theophóros, lit. "the God-bearing"), Ignatius Nurono (lit. "The fire-bearer") was an Apostolic Father, student of the Apostle John, and the third bishop of Antioch.
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The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians
Chapter IX.—Reference to the history of Christ.

He also rose again in three days, the Father raising Him up; and after spending forty days with the apostles, He was received up to the Father, and “sat down at His right hand, expecting till His enemies are placed under His feet.”793 On the day of the preparation, then, at the third hour, He received the sentence from Pilate, the Father permitting that to happen; at the sixth hour He was crucified; at the ninth hour He gave up the ghost; and before sunset He was buried. During the Sabbath He continued under the earth in the tomb in which Joseph of Arimathæa had laid Him. At the dawning of the Lord’s day He arose from the dead, according to what was spoken by Himself, “As Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly, so shall the Son of man also be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” The day of the preparation, then, comprises the passion; the Sabbath embraces the burial; the Lord’s Day contains the resurrection.
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As you can see, the three days mentioned are Friday (Preparation), Saturday (Sabbath), and Sunday (Lord's day).

If you can provide any historical account to match your erroneous conclusion, then you may have a case, otherwise the existing historical accounts show you are wrong in your assumptions.
 
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steko,
re: "Which puts Christ's resurrection on the fourth day, which is contrary to the often repeated third day resurrection."

Not according to Mark 8:31 which has the Messiah saying that He would rise after 3 days. Also, He said that His time in the "heart of the earth" would entail 3 nights which would require 4 calendar days to be involved. Also, Luke 24:21 indicates that at least 4 calendar would be involved.

But all of that is an issue for another topic. The purpose of this topic is to see if Matthew 12:40 could be using common idiomatic language - i.e. that it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could have occurred.

Since you're a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate, do you explain the missing night of Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is using common idiomatic language?
 
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The Jews didn't add to what God declared to be a day, "night" being only a part of it.
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Of course man changed the meaning of day by adding night to it.

God's definition of day is the hours of the light.

John 11:9
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.​

 
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genuineoriginal said:
Of course man changed the meaning of day by adding night to it.

God's definition of day is the hours of the light.

John 11:9
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.​

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Argue it out with the account:

"And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:17-19 (KJV)
 
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Argue it out with the account:

"And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:17-19 (KJV)
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Your misunderstanding of the verse you quoted comes because mankind changed the meaning of day, not because God included the night in the day.

Genesis 1:5 NIV
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.​

The first day began in the morning.
 
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jamie said:
Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night.
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Matthew 20:19
19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.​


Luke 24:20-21
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.​

Crucified on the first day (Friday), in the grave on the second day (Saturday), and to day (Sunday) is the third day, the day He rose again.
 
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jamie said:
How many hours were in the Day of Atonement according to Leviticus?
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Twelve, from sunrise to sunset, since that is the definition of a day.
However, the sabbath of rest and the affliction of your soul is to last from the evening of the ninth day until the evening of the tenth day of the seventh month.
You are misunderstanding one verse and assuming your misunderstanding overwrites God's definition of day.
A day never begins in the evening.
A day begins in the morning.

jamie said:
You are confusing "day" with "daylight."
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You are confusing "day" with "nighttime".
 
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